Israel Assists Palestinians

JaJae · 06-20-2007, 11:54 PM

I guess this is good. I don't really know just yet. Basically I made a thread previously about Hamastan. The basic synopsis of what's going on in Gaza and Palestine right now is that the two faction groups Hamas and Fatah are killing each other in a bloody war for power. For more info see my other thread..
The latest from Palestine... Hamastan

The latest news from Palestine is that Israel is actually assisting the Palestinians trapped in Gaza. Not only are they allowing safe passage for government officials, they're bringing in humanitarian aid for the civilians.
People's Daily Online -- Israel transfers humanitarian aid into Gaza

Israel transferred a passel of humanitarian aid into the Gaza Strip on Wednesday via different terminals between the coastal area and Israel.

According to a statement issued by Israel Defense Forces (IDF), 200 tons of flour, 40 tons of meat, 90,000 liters of milk and 25, 000 liters of cooking oil were transferred by trucks via the Sufa crossing throughout the day.

Medical supplies as well as 98,000 vaccines against Chicken Pox, Tuberculosis, Tetanus and Rubella were passed via the Erez Crossing.

In addition, 420,000 liters of diesel, 45,000 liters of gasoline, 43,000 liters of oil and 325 liters of cooking gas were transferred via the Nahal Oz fuel terminal into Gaza.

Besides the transferring of the aid, nine injured and chronically ill Palestinians in Gaza were taken to Israeli hospitals for medical treatment, and over 150 foreign citizens staying in Gaza were assisted to cross into Israel, said the IDF statement.

Interestingly enough when the going gets tough the Palestinians run to Israel for safety.

There are still many civilians who wish to have access into Israel, however, the fact that Israel is helping at all speaks volumes. It appears though they are siding with Fatah which has been more friendly to them as of late than Hamas. If Hamas wins this power struggle it could fuel more problems, but if Fatah comes out on top perhaps they won't forget who was there to assist them in their time of need.

I also think it's interesting to note that if the situation were reversed I highly doubt Palestine would assist Israel.

Stylerod · 06-21-2007, 12:55 AM

I wonder how much aid the Arab nations are giving them. I would guess some, but it would be interesting to know how much.

Donkey® · 06-21-2007, 10:13 AM

Yes, they are friendly now that they have decided to IGNORE the democratically elected government that was in place before. It's pathetic at best.

nbiggershaft · 06-21-2007, 10:23 AM

Originally Posted by JaJae

I guess this is good. I don't really know just yet. Basically I made a thread previously about Hamastan. The basic synopsis of what's going on in Gaza and Palestine right now is that the two faction groups Hamas and Fatah are killing each other in a bloody war for power. For more info see my other thread..
The latest from Palestine... Hamastan

The latest news from Palestine is that Israel is actually assisting the Palestinians trapped in Gaza. Not only are they allowing safe passage for government officials, they're bringing in humanitarian aid for the civilians.
People's Daily Online -- Israel transfers humanitarian aid into Gaza

Interestingly enough when the going gets tough the Palestinians run to Israel for safety.

There are still many civilians who wish to have access into Israel, however, the fact that Israel is helping at all speaks volumes. It appears though they are siding with Fatah which has been more friendly to them as of late than Hamas. If Hamas wins this power struggle it could fuel more problems, but if Fatah comes out on top perhaps they won't forget who was there to assist them in their time of need.

I also think it's interesting to note that if the situation were reversed I highly doubt Palestine would assist Israel.

They are also letting alot of people fester in their own filth. They need to hurry up and just let the people through, so far all they've done is let people through after they get shot.

Donkey® · 06-21-2007, 10:45 AM

Originally Posted by JaJae

Interestingly enough when the going gets tough the Palestinians run to Israel for safety.

I also think this is a little misleading. Israel has surrounded Gaza with security fences 12 feet high. Of course they have to go through Israeli checkpoints in order to get out of Gaza...even if heading towards Egypt.

motivez · 06-21-2007, 04:45 PM

Considering Israel's culpability in the entire situation I'm glad to see them doing something positive for the people living in Palestine.

If the Palestinians had autonomy over their own lands and were allowed to move freely in their own territory, this wouldn't be an issue though.. so they don't get too many brownie points from me on this, even though it's the right decision.

nbiggershaft · 06-21-2007, 05:14 PM

Originally Posted by motivez

Considering Israel's culpability in the entire situation I'm glad to see them doing something positive for the people living in Palestine.

If the Palestinians had autonomy over their own lands and were allowed to move freely in their own territory, this wouldn't be an issue though.. so they don't get too many brownie points from me on this, even though it's the right decision.

They should be getting scrutiny, I don't get why this isn't getting more press. Essentially they have people trapped with people that are trying to kill them, and they don't even want refuge in Israel, they are trying to get to the west bank. It's southern Lebanon all over again, they've just kept it from being a slaughter so far.

RMNIXON · 06-21-2007, 06:26 PM

Originally Posted by motivez

Considering Israel's culpability in the entire situation I'm glad to see them doing something positive for the people living in Palestine.

Israel is hardly responcible for the violent militant takeover of the Gaza. It really tires me to hear these repeated arguments that the bloodthristy, even with their own people, are somehow provoked in their behavior. There is no justification ever.

Donkey® · 06-21-2007, 06:56 PM

Originally Posted by RMNIXON

Israel is hardly responcible for the violent militant takeover of the Gaza. It really tires me to hear these repeated arguments that the bloodthristy, even with their own people, are somehow provoked in their behavior. There is no justification ever.

Treat people like savages, they act like savages...true story. They take their land...lock them up in what amounts to a zoo...sure, i'd be a little angry as well.

motivez · 06-21-2007, 07:07 PM

Originally Posted by RMNIXON

Israel is hardly responcible for the violent militant takeover of the Gaza. It really tires me to hear these repeated arguments that the bloodthristy, even with their own people, are somehow provoked in their behavior. There is no justification ever.

What's tiring is the idea that Israel's actions happen in some sort of bubble where the principles of cause and effect for some mysterious reason don't apply.

When you consider how Israel treats the Palestinian people, subjecting them to essentially a military occupation, which at times has been very brutal to innocent civilians, prevents them from being allowed to travel freely in their own territory, refusing to allow them any kind of autonomy over their destiny.. it certainly provokes people to act.

I would highly suggest diversifying the locations where you get your information, Israel bears plenty of responsibility in this situation and countless others throughout the years.. they are not some innocent state that never does any wrong like certain political factions desire to make them appear.

nbiggershaft · 06-21-2007, 07:11 PM

Originally Posted by RMNIXON

Israel is hardly responcible for the violent militant takeover of the Gaza. It really tires me to hear these repeated arguments that the bloodthristy, even with their own people, are somehow provoked in their behavior. There is no justification ever.

Thats like saying the Jews are responsible for the holocaust because they were German.

Nonphixion · 06-21-2007, 10:28 PM

Originally Posted by RMNIXON

Israel is hardly responcible for the violent militant takeover of the Gaza. It really tires me to hear these repeated arguments that the bloodthristy, even with their own people, are somehow provoked in their behavior. There is no justification ever.

That is some straight-up retarded republican BS.

Israel has a large overbearing presence on the Palestinian people, in every facet of their lives. Even while traveling in their own Palestinian city streets they must be granted permission by IDF soldiers to pass, if even back to their own homes.

RMNIXON · 06-22-2007, 05:25 PM

Take a look at a map?

The non-Israeli/Jewish community with near a continent of surrounding territory has had since 1947 to relieve these poor Palestinian refugees from this poor state of affairs as many jews have been refugees for countless centuries! But to be political blood canon fodder for the destruction of Israel is far more important to people unaffected in the Muslim world and those in other nations politically sympathetic. They are repulsive to me and I make no apology!

And what does Israel do after massive assaults and continued violence against their people? Offer the Independence of a Palestinian State if only the threats and violent assaults would stop. But no the Palestinians would rather slaughter their own and throw people off roofs for being part of such a compromise.

It has nothing to do with being a Republican.

It has to do with Moral Clarity above sheeplike political behavior!

RMNIXON · 06-22-2007, 05:31 PM

Originally Posted by motivez

What's tiring is the idea that Israel's actions happen in some sort of bubble where the principles of cause and effect for some mysterious reason don't apply.

When you consider how Israel treats the Palestinian people, subjecting them to essentially a military occupation, which at times has been very brutal to innocent civilians, prevents them from being allowed to travel freely in their own territory, refusing to allow them any kind of autonomy over their destiny.. it certainly provokes people to act.

I would highly suggest diversifying the locations where you get your information, Israel bears plenty of responsibility in this situation and countless others throughout the years.. they are not some innocent state that never does any wrong like certain political factions desire to make them appear.

I never suggested any such bubble. You have a funny view of free will and responcibility of personal behavior. I guess anything is justified with any provocation in a non-responcible world. If that is the case we are screwed as a community of people and of nations.

Nonphixion · 06-22-2007, 05:33 PM

Originally Posted by RMNIXON

But to be political blood canon fodder for the destruction of Israel is far more important to people unaffected in the Muslim world and those in other nations politically sympathetic. They are repulsive to me and I make no apology!

And what does Israel do after massive assaults and continued violence against their people? Offer the Independence of a Palestinian State if only the threats and violent assaults would stop. But no the Palestinians would rather slaughter their own and throw people off roofs for being part of such a compromise.

It has nothing to do with being a Republican.

It has to do with Moral Clarity above sheeplike political behavior!

Israel offers nothing but a superlative cause to repel it's harsh military occupation. It does not offer peace, or anything of the sort, as Israel is the entity incites the violence in that region. If you do not know this then you do not follow the course world events. But allow (our religious ally) Israel's carefully-crafted information packets to be spoon-fed to your pathetic perpetual ignorance.

It has everything to do with being a republican, you believe in Israel's ways and further more it's news-sculpting propaganda, and because of this I pity you. Try watching the BBC or any other international news source not censored by the over 100 Israeli lobbies so pervasive in every form of media.

nbiggershaft · 06-22-2007, 05:34 PM

Originally Posted by RMNIXON

And what does Israel do after massive assaults and continued violence against their people? Offer the Independence of a Palestinian State if only the threats and violent assaults would stop. But no the Palestinians would rather slaughter their own and throw people off roofs for being part of such a compromise.

And what about those people who are being slaughtered and those who want comprimise? Are you sure you know what you are ranting about here?

RMNIXON · 06-22-2007, 07:04 PM

Originally Posted by nbiggershaft

And what about those people who are being slaughtered and those who want comprimise? Are you sure you know what you are ranting about here?

I have no intention of responding after your previous post.

RMNIXON · 06-22-2007, 07:06 PM

Originally Posted by Nonphixion

Try watching the BBC or any other international news source not censored by the over 100 Israeli lobbies so pervasive in every form of media.

I have no interest in your Jew media conspiracies.

You pretend other media has no bias?

Dylith · 06-22-2007, 07:17 PM

Many of these people are Fatah supporters and want to move over to the West Bank where they feel safer. One of the problems is that the borders of Gaza are very tighly controlled and often closed. Hundreds of people have fled to crossing points for various reasons. Some seek medical treatment in Israel but many just want to cross over to the West Bank. Certain crossing points were suppose to be open but weren't due to various reasons and the result was hundreds of Fatah supporters have been holed up at border crossing points. Also keep in mind that it isn't just Palestinian fleeing the area there are other foriegn civillians there as well.