has anyone cared enough to share this with you?

[ronald205nc]

Has anyone cared enough to share the truth about Heaven with you?

The Holy Bible describes Heaven as a beautiful place where people live forever with no death, sorrow, sickness and pain. {Revelation 21:4}

Hell is described as a place of suffering forever for all those who are not saved. {Matthew 13:50}

The good news is that about 2000 years ago Jesus Christ(God the Son) paid for everyone's sins or wrong doing by dying on the cross and rising from the dead after three days. {Mark 10:34}

God the Son came as a sinless man. {Philippians 2:5-8}

Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth, and the life: no one cometh unto God(The Father), but by me." {John 14:6} He is our ONLY way to God(The Father) in Heaven.

The Holy Bible says, "That if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God(The Father) raised Jesus Christ from the dead, you will be saved." {Romans 10:9}

You should not wait until later to get saved because you may die before you get another chance and you will miss Heaven.

If you want to be sure you will go to Heaven after this life is over just pray a meaningful prayer like the one below with your mouth and from your heart right now to God and you will be saved.

Dear God I want to be saved. Dear Jesus Christ Son of God I want to make you my personal Lord and Savior. Please forgive me of my sins or things I have done wrong in my life. Thanks Jesus Christ for taking my punishment for my sins by shedding your sinless blood on the cross and dying for my sins. Jesus Christ I now confess you as my Lord and believe in my heart that God(The Father) raised you from the dead. Amen.

If you just allowed God to save you then welcome to the family of God because you are now a Christian on your way to Heaven.

Now that you are saved, you should strive to live a godly life and you also need to be reading the Bible for yourself. The Bible is essentially God's instruction manual for how to live our lives in a way that is pleasing to God. A good place to start reading the Bible is the first chapter of Romans. You should also find a Christian Church to attend in your area.


Have a good day,
Ronald L. Grossi
RonaldLGrossi@yahoo.com (Use this email address if you have a question.)


Please share this with all your friends and family so they can learn the truth about Heaven before it's too late.

Some of them may not like the message, but at least you cared enough to share it with them.

[Roonie]

and give lots of money to me in the name of god.

and who is this Jesus character you keep refering too as I have never heard of him?

[Publius]

I always feel it is very pushy to suggest that the only reason someone doesn't believe in Christianity is because no one has ever cared about them enough to tell them about it. That mindset is very ignorant, and smacks of a level of self-righteousness that is pretty antithetical to the supposed Christian beliefs in humble and peaceful behavior...

[Linzyhop]

Originally Posted by Publius

I always feel it is very pushy to suggest that the only reason someone doesn't believe in Christianity is because no one has ever cared about them enough to tell them about it. That mindset is very ignorant, and smacks of a level of self-righteousness that is pretty antithetical to the supposed Christian beliefs in humble and peaceful behavior...

not to mention the Bible was written 200 years after the fact, passed down orally through hearsay.

Taking it word for word is a very educated thing to do.

[Dumpy Dooby]

Originally Posted by Linzyhop

not to mention the Bible was written 200 years after the fact, passed down orally through hearsay.

Taking it word for word is a very educated thing to do.

Well if we're to be honest about it, some of the gospel doctrine was written only a few years after the death of Christ. The synoptic gospels were based on that original doctrine and were written only a few decades after the first bit of doctrine was written, and they were completed by the middle of the second century. The rest of the New Testament books weren't completed until late in the third century if I recall correctly. More to the point, though, the New Testament, itself, didn't become canonized until the fifth century.

[Linzyhop]

Originally Posted by Dumpy Dooby

Well if we're to be honest about it, some of the gospel doctrine was written only a few years after the death of Christ. The synoptic gospels were based on that original doctrine and were written only a few decades after the first bit of doctrine was written, and they were completed by the middle of the second century. The rest of the New Testament books weren't completed until late in the third century if I recall correctly. More to the point, though, the New Testament, itself, didn't become canonized until the fifth century.

yes, but the bible that the christians refer to is the new testament is it not? and that testament was written hundreds of years after the death of jesus and his disciples.

[Dumpy Dooby]

Originally Posted by Linzyhop

yes, but the bible that the christians refer to is the new testament is it not? and that testament was written hundreds of years after the death of jesus and his disciples.

It wasn't written hundreds of years after the death of Jesus. It was merely canonized hundreds of years after his supposed death. All of the doctrine had already existed at that time, and some of the doctrine was written only a couple decades after his death.

[Linzyhop]

Originally Posted by Dumpy Dooby

It wasn't written hundreds of years after the death of Jesus. It was merely canonized hundreds of years after his supposed death. All of the doctrine had already existed at that time, and some of the doctrine was written only a couple decades after his death.

I was under the impression that most of the gospels were written at least a hundred to two hundred years after the death of Jesus. This is something i learned in Bible school when I was a little catholic girl. what gospels were written while he was alive?

[Roonie]

none while he was alive...... a few decades after his death some of the writings started, but most of the writings happened 100-200 years after.

[Dumpy Dooby]

Originally Posted by Linzyhop

I was under the impression that most of the gospels were written at least a hundred to two hundred years after the death of Jesus. This is something i learned in Bible school when I was a little catholic girl. what gospels were written while he was alive?

You might be thinking of one of the multiple creeds out there, but as far as actual dating is concerned, the synoptic gospels (Matthew, Mark, and Luke) start around 70CE (right after the destruction of the Jewish temple in ~67CE). Those synoptic gospels were based on earlier writings (namely Gospel of Thomas and Gospel Q), and before those gospels, there were also the writings of Paul, which were around 50CE.

Here's a list of scholarly dating for the NT books:
Dating the NT

Here's the ranged dating of non-canonical doctrine:
Early Christian Writings: New Testament, Apocrypha, Gnostics, Church Fathers

[Linzyhop]

Originally Posted by Dumpy Dooby

You might be thinking of one of the multiple creeds out there, but as far as actual dating is concerned, the synoptic gospels (Matthew, Mark, and Luke) start around 70CE (right after the destruction of the Jewish temple in ~67CE). Those synoptic gospels were based on earlier writings (namely Gospel of Thomas and Gospel Q), and before those gospels, there were also the writings of Paul, which were around 50CE.

Here's a list of scholarly dating for the NT books:
Dating the NT

Here's the ranged dating of non-canonical doctrine:
Early Christian Writings: New Testament, Apocrypha, Gnostics, Church Fathers

70CE??? what is that? talk in AD or BC terms please.

[Publius]

Originally Posted by Linzyhop

70CE??? what is that? talk in AD or BC terms please.

CE = AD
BCE = BC

they stand for "Current Era" and "Before Current Era" iirc ... it's a more political correct, non-religious naming system.

[Linzyhop]

Originally Posted by Publius

CE = AD
BCE = BC

they said for "Current Era" and "Before Current Era" iirc ... it's a more political correct, non-religious naming system.

hmm. never heard of that before. oh well.

[imind]

65-80 Gospel of Mark
80-100 Gospel of Matthew
80-130 Gospel of Luke
90-120 Gospel of John

the point still remains that what we have are not first hand accounts.

why i even bothered posting in this thread is beyond me.

[Nonphixion]

Originally Posted by ronald205nc

Has anyone cared enough to share the truth about Heaven with you?

The Holy Bible describes Heaven as a beautiful place where people live forever with no death, sorrow, sickness and pain. {Revelation 21:4}

Hell is described as a place of suffering forever for all those who are not saved. {Matthew 13:50}

The good news is that about 2000 years ago Jesus Christ(God the Son) paid for everyone's sins or wrong doing by dying on the cross and rising from the dead after three days. {Mark 10:34}

God the Son came as a sinless man. {Philippians 2:5-8}

Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth, and the life: no one cometh unto God(The Father), but by me." {John 14:6} He is our ONLY way to God(The Father) in Heaven.

The Holy Bible says, "That if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God(The Father) raised Jesus Christ from the dead, you will be saved." {Romans 10:9}

You should not wait until later to get saved because you may die before you get another chance and you will miss Heaven.

If you want to be sure you will go to Heaven after this life is over just pray a meaningful prayer like the one below with your mouth and from your heart right now to God and you will be saved.

Dear God I want to be saved. Dear Jesus Christ Son of God I want to make you my personal Lord and Savior. Please forgive me of my sins or things I have done wrong in my life. Thanks Jesus Christ for taking my punishment for my sins by shedding your sinless blood on the cross and dying for my sins. Jesus Christ I now confess you as my Lord and believe in my heart that God(The Father) raised you from the dead. Amen.

If you just allowed God to save you then welcome to the family of God because you are now a Christian on your way to Heaven.

Now that you are saved, you should strive to live a godly life and you also need to be reading the Bible for yourself. The Bible is essentially God's instruction manual for how to live our lives in a way that is pleasing to God. A good place to start reading the Bible is the first chapter of Romans. You should also find a Christian Church to attend in your area.


Have a good day,
Ronald L. Grossi
RonaldLGrossi@yahoo.com (Use this email address if you have a question.)


Please share this with all your friends and family so they can learn the truth about Heaven before it's too late.

Some of them may not like the message, but at least you cared enough to share it with them.

Fool, you need to find Gnosis.

Praise knowledge

[Roonie]

Pope: Other Christians Not True Churches

By NICOLE WINFIELD, Associated Press Writer

AP;2 hours ago

LORENZAGO DI CADORE, Italy - Pope Benedict XVI has reasserted the universal primacy of the Roman Catholic Church, approving a document released Tuesday that says Orthodox churches were defective and that other Christian denominations were not true churches.

Benedict approved a document from his old offices at the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith that restates church teaching on relations with other Christians. It was the second time in a week the pope has corrected what he says are erroneous interpretations of the Second Vatican Council, the 1962-65 meetings that modernized the church.

On Saturday, Benedict revisited another key aspect of Vatican II by reviving the old Latin Mass. Traditional Catholics cheered the move, but more liberal ones called it a step back from Vatican II.

Benedict, who attended Vatican II as a young theologian, has long complained about what he considers the erroneous interpretation of the council by liberals, saying it was not a break from the past but rather a renewal of church tradition.

In the latest document _ formulated as five questions and answers _ the Vatican seeks to set the record straight on Vatican II's ecumenical intent, saying some contemporary theological interpretation had been "erroneous or ambiguous" and had prompted confusion and doubt.

It restates key sections of a 2000 document the pope wrote when he was prefect of the congregation, "Dominus Iesus," which set off a firestorm of criticism among Protestant and other Christian denominations because it said they were not true churches but merely ecclesial communities and therefore did not have the "means of salvation."

In the new document and an accompanying commentary, which were released as the pope vacations here in Italy's Dolomite mountains, the Vatican repeated that position.
"Christ 'established here on earth' only one church," the document said. The other communities "cannot be called 'churches' in the proper sense" because they do not have apostolic succession _ the ability to trace their bishops back to Christ's original apostles.
The Rev. Sara MacVane of the Anglican Centre in Rome, said there was nothing new in the document.

"I don't know what motivated it at this time," she said. "But it's important always to point out that there's the official position and there's the huge amount of friendship and fellowship and worshipping together that goes on at all levels, certainly between Anglican and Catholics and all the other groups and Catholics."

The document said Orthodox churches were indeed "churches" because they have apostolic succession and that they enjoyed "many elements of sanctification and of truth." But it said they lack something because they do not recognize the primacy of the pope _ a defect, or a "wound" that harmed them, it said.

"This is obviously not compatible with the doctrine of primacy which, according to the Catholic faith, is an 'internal constitutive principle' of the very existence of a particular church," the commentary said.
Despite the harsh tone of the document, it stresses that Benedict remains committed to ecumenical dialogue.

"However, if such dialogue is to be truly constructive, it must involve not just the mutual openness of the participants but also fidelity to the identity of the Catholic faith," the commentary said.

The document, signed by the congregation prefect, U.S. Cardinal William Levada, was approved by Benedict on June 29, the feast of Sts. Peter and Paul _ a major ecumenical feast day.

There was no indication about why the pope felt it necessary to release the document, particularly since his 2000 document summed up the same principles. Some analysts suggested it could be a question of internal church politics, or that it could simply be an indication of Benedict using his office as pope to again stress key doctrinal issues from his time at the congregation.

You can't tell me the route to salvation as your Church is not the true Church.

[Roonie]

Also Ronald Grossi is a known Spammer. Google his name and you will see what I am talking about.

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[up|dn]

Nobody really knows when the gospels were written. There's no mention of them until well into the second century though.