Democratic House Passes College Cost Reduction Act

[Thorgrim]

Originally Posted by Joe_Cool

Translation: "No, it's not Constitutional, but since courts let all kinds of unconstitutional stuff slide, it's ok."

Gotcha.

I don't think any respected constitutional scholar seriously thinks the current Roberts court or the conservative 1930s court both accepted "unconstitutional" programs...actually you can throw in just about every court, some of basically every form of conservatism in american history...not one of them has even come close to interpretting the constitution that all federal programs not spelled in the consitution are "all kinds of unconstitutional stuff"

[Joe_Cool]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

I don't think any respected constitutional scholar seriously thinks the current Roberts court or the conservative 1930s court both accepted "unconstitutional" programs...actually you can throw in just about every court, some of basically every form of conservatism in american history...not one of them has even come close to interpretting the constitution that all federal programs not spelled in the consitution are "all kinds of unconstitutional stuff"

Once again, I'm fluent in English, so I don't need a court to tell me what the Constitution says. I can read it and know that the federal government has no Constitutional authority to institute such programs.

[Thorgrim]

Originally Posted by Joe_Cool

Once again, I'm fluent in English, so I don't need a court to tell me what the Constitution says. I can read it and know that the federal government has no Constitutional authority to institute such programs.

Oliver Holmes, Ben Cardozo, Robert Jackson...a few among many of the top American legal jurists of our time...and you think they are all crap and what you think is the final matter...

Even the most conservative judges who hated FDR and the New Deal, and argued strongly for limited government still would never to such ends, there simply is no legal basis to overturn 200+ years of distinctly American legal tradition

Well, no matter...its not only legal precedent but american tradition stetching back to our founding that the constitution is a vague, like the frame work of a house, our laws we enforce fill out that frame, and the court keeps things inside the frame

[Joe_Cool]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

Oliver Holmes, Ben Cardozo, Robert Jackson...a few among many of the top American legal jurists of our time...and you think they are all crap and what you think is the final matter...

Even the most conservative judges who hated FDR and the New Deal, and argued strongly for limited government still would never to such ends, there simply is no legal basis to overturn 200+ years of distinctly American legal tradition

Well, no matter...its not only legal precedent but american tradition stetching back to our founding that the constitution is a vague, like the frame work of a house, our laws we enforce fill out that frame, and the court keeps things inside the frame

If precedent and tradition contradict the Constitution, then they are unconstitutional, no matter what famous judges agree with them.

[Thorgrim]

Originally Posted by Joe_Cool

If precedent and tradition contradict the Constitution, then they are unconstitutional, no matter what famous judges agree with them.

It's more like everyone who has ever studied the law...

[Rouger2]

Originally Posted by thomez

When you keep knocking down the profit potential, they can lose... because it makes no sense to keep doing it for such little $$$ in return.

This is a useless arguement because you and I don't know for sure how much profit loan companies will make. I know now they are fighting like dogs and cats for these loans and even giving School officials kick backs.

[thomez]

Originally Posted by Rouger2

This is a useless arguement because you and I don't know for sure how much profit loan companies will make. I know now they are fighting like dogs and cats for these loans and even giving School officials kick backs.

I know that the more you decrease that profit, no matter what it is, the less willing they are going to be to lend through the program.

[Rouger2]

Originally Posted by thomez

state schools do charge about the same because they are... state schools, not working in the free market like a private institution... and subsidized by state budgets

yes, I do believe that private schools compete in terms of tuition, I believe that US News & World Report even have a section of their college book devoted to the best values in education

Then state schools should not be able to raise their tuiton just because students were getting more aid?

[thomez]

Originally Posted by Rouger2

Then state schools should not be able to raise their tuiton just because students were getting more aid?

state schools raise tuition all the time, they still want the money to pay for more faculty, renovations, etc etc... but they are also subsidized through tax dollars

[Rouger2]

Originally Posted by Joe_Cool

If precedent and tradition contradict the Constitution, then they are unconstitutional, no matter what famous judges agree with them.

How can you fight it. They can make words mean what ever they want they can say black is white and white is black. I think they are influenced greatly by how society or people at the time feel about the issue, but for awhile now they have gone against the majority on many things and it has been bad for our country.

[Joe_Cool]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

It's more like everyone who has ever studied the law...

Maybe they should have spent more time READING THE CONSTITUTION.

[Thorgrim]

Originally Posted by Joe_Cool

Maybe they should have spent more time READING THE CONSTITUTION.

Yeah all those libertarian, conservative, liberal lawyers...not one ever bothered to read the constitution...it's a shame really

[Joe_Cool]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

Yeah all those libertarian, conservative, liberal lawyers...not one ever bothered to read the constitution...it's a shame really

I really don't give a rat's ass what label somebody pins to himself. If he thinks the federal government has powers not given to it by the Constitution, then he either hasn't read it, or doesn't respect it.

[motivez]

I'm going to split these few posts into your other constitution thread, as I don't think the discussion about the war, etc, belongs in a thread about college cost reduction.