Edwards wants to reward hard work.

Stylerod · 07-16-2007, 03:16 PM

The Edwards theme for Monday was “building one America by rewarding work, with proposals that include an initiative to help ensure that all employees have at least seven paid sick days a year, with pro-rated leave for part-time workers. He also would raise the minimum wage and increase the ability of workers to organize in unions.

Edwards has plan to diversify schools - Mike Allen - Politico.com

He wants to reward work by giving them paid days off and organizing unions

In the same story he wants to punish schools that are doing well by busing their kids to schools that aren't doing well. This one strikes a cord with me because our district wants to do the same thing. Our kids were going to have to be bused over an HOUR to go to a different school system. The school they go to now is a 5 minute bus ride. Luckily they changed the boundaries and my kids will stay at the same school.

thomez · 07-16-2007, 03:43 PM

As a person, I bet he's a great guy, I really believe that. He is very charismatic, driven, he really believes what he says, and he seems to be a loving father and husband. The problem is that he's also a huge enemy of the free market

Rouger2 · 07-16-2007, 04:00 PM

Originally Posted by Stylerod

He wants to reward work by giving them paid days off and organizing unions

In the same story he wants to punish schools that are doing well by busing their kids to schools that aren't doing well. This one strikes a cord with me because our district wants to do the same thing. Our kids were going to have to be bused over an HOUR to go to a different school system. The school they go to now is a 5 minute bus ride. Luckily they changed the boundaries and my kids will stay at the same school.

We can't compete with cheap, no benefit, labor now how can we add more benefits, or more cost's on to our labor. We all are going to lose our benefits eventually. The Union deal is good because if we had strong enough unions they would not have let the government put us in competition with the cheap not benefit, no enviromental cost, no medical cost, no safety costs labor.

DosEquis · 07-16-2007, 04:02 PM

I have no issue with him allowing people to organize themselves. Organized labor is afterall, a product of the free market. If free market people have a problem with people forming unions, I think it shows a certain level of hypocrisy.

I do not agree with shipping kids to schools which perform poorly, simply on performance. But I do not have a problem with ethnically diversifying the school. It provides cultural exposure that some of the kids would not get otherwise. If there is a problem with that, sign up for a private school.

I am on the fence with minimum wage. I think if we really solved the illegal immigrant problem we wouldn't have to worry about a minimum wage, because that group would not be artificially keeping those types of wages low.

Paid sick days should be worked out between the worker/workers and their employer. If the union contract picks that. whatever.

thomez · 07-16-2007, 04:18 PM

Originally Posted by Rouger2

We can't compete with cheap, no benefit, labor now how can we add more benefits, or more cost's on to our labor. We all are going to lose our benefits eventually. The Union deal is good because if we had strong enough unions they would not have let the government put us in competition with the cheap not benefit, no enviromental cost, no medical cost, no safety costs labor.

We had really strong auto unions and a lot of protectionism... it didn't work. Now Toyota, Honda, and Nissan make better cars here in the United States without the enormous unfunded liabilities that the domestic car companies and unions promised their workers... which are now losing market share, losing money, and threatening to cut the pensions and health benefits of those strong union members of yesteryear.

I have no problem with unions, people can unionize all they want to, but that doesn't mean it is the answer.

Stylerod · 07-16-2007, 04:30 PM

Originally Posted by thomez

We had really strong auto unions and a lot of protectionism... it didn't work. Now Toyota, Honda, and Nissan make better cars here in the United States without the enormous unfunded liabilities that the domestic car companies and unions promised their workers... which are now losing market share, losing money, and threatening to cut the pensions and health benefits of those strong union members of yesteryear.

I have no problem with unions, people can unionize all they want to, but that doesn't mean it is the answer.

I was a member of the AFL-CIO for almost 4 years. If someone is stupid enough to want to join that shithole organization, more power to 'em.

Donkey® · 07-16-2007, 06:22 PM

Originally Posted by thomez

We had really strong auto unions and a lot of protectionism... it didn't work. Now Toyota, Honda, and Nissan make better cars here in the United States without the enormous unfunded liabilities that the domestic car companies and unions promised their workers... which are now losing market share, losing money, and threatening to cut the pensions and health benefits of those strong union members of yesteryear.

I have no problem with unions, people can unionize all they want to, but that doesn't mean it is the answer.

We fell behind in industries that weren't unionized as well...I think it's more of a reflection of our complete laziness and ineptitude rather than unionization.

RMNIXON · 07-16-2007, 06:52 PM

Originally Posted by Stylerod

I was a member of the AFL-CIO for almost 4 years. If someone is stupid enough to want to join that shithole organization, more power to 'em.

The only thing worse for the country is the Government Employee Unions. They have a very large incentive to increase the size and scope of government no matter how poor a job is done or what the burden the taxpayer will be. That is the #1 reason they get so involved and spend so much money in politics for a certain party!

RMNIXON · 07-16-2007, 06:56 PM

Originally Posted by Donkey®

We fell behind in industries that weren't unionized as well...I think it's more of a reflection of our complete laziness and ineptitude rather than unionization.

That is the problem Donkey. I have no problem with collective bargaining for pay, safty, and benefits. But when you see how these Unions protect the Laziness and ineptitude of many workers. In fact they promote it and will come down hard if they think you are working too hard and making others look bad. You will find the worse offenders are very close to the Union leadership.

kinggovernor · 07-16-2007, 07:41 PM

Originally Posted by DosEquis

I have no issue with him allowing people to organize themselves. Organized labor is afterall, a product of the free market. If free market people have a problem with people forming unions, I think it shows a certain level of hypocrisy.

I do not agree with shipping kids to schools which perform poorly, simply on performance. But I do not have a problem with ethnically diversifying the school. It provides cultural exposure that some of the kids would not get otherwise. If there is a problem with that, sign up for a private school.

I am on the fence with minimum wage. I think if we really solved the illegal immigrant problem we wouldn't have to worry about a minimum wage, because that group would not be artificially keeping those types of wages low.

Paid sick days should be worked out between the worker/workers and their employer. If the union contract picks that. whatever.

hello my friend

thomez · 07-16-2007, 09:23 PM

Originally Posted by Donkey®

We fell behind in industries that weren't unionized as well...I think it's more of a reflection of our complete laziness and ineptitude rather than unionization.

In those industries that were not unionized... I don't see the widespread unfunded liabilities that I see in the auto industry... deals made by unions with automakers that simply did not make economic sense.