Update: felony charges

[Stylerod]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

A kid could have gone through that screen...its a screen...boys will be boys and I've known friends and family who did pretty dumb stuff when they were 12 around the neighborhood

There is no doubt in my mind had the kids pushed the screen in and went in for fun they would have found the guns very easily and B2W would be looking at a lot more than a possible fine and probably just probation if it goes

In the state of MA, what B2W did was a HUGE HAZARD, just because YOU don't see it doesn't mean it matters...the law is the law and here you are twisting

Again. A person has to commit the crime of breaking and entering for it to have been dangerous.

These weren't kids who's baseball went through the screen and they snuck in to get it back only to accidentally open a bag that was stuffed between a dresser and wall and open it to find a gun.

You give the wrong criminals too much leeway. But that is the nature of the liberal.

[Thorgrim]

Originally Posted by Stylerod

Again. A person has to commit the crime of breaking and entering for it to have been dangerous.

These weren't kids who's baseball went through the screen and they snuck in to get it back only to accidentally open a bag that was stuffed between a dresser and wall and open it to find a gun.

You give the wrong criminals too much leeway. But that is the nature of the liberal.

"wrong criminals" that's a really interesting conservative viewpoint

Thanks for giving the nice example, boys who would have went looking for a baseball could have found that sack very easily and ended up dead...if that would have happened would you be saying "well the kids got what they deserved"

[Stylerod]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

"wrong criminals" that's a really interesting conservative viewpoint

Thanks for giving the nice example, boys who would have went looking for a baseball could have found that sack very easily and ended up dead...if that would have happened would you be saying "well the kids got what they deserved"

Again. You blame Ballz, probably because he is a conservative, yet you don't seem to ever fault the real criminals that broke into his house to steak his credit cards and ended up finding his guns.

I'm sure those thieves are just misunderstood or a "victim of society".


Only liberals would consider a locked private home fair game to anyone that wants to enter. It's amazing

[WickedLou9]

Originally Posted by Stylerod

Again. You blame Ballz, probably because he is a conservative, yet you don't seem to ever fault the real criminals that broke into his house to steak his credit cards and ended up finding his guns.

I'm sure those thieves are just misunderstood or a "victim of society".


Only liberals would consider a locked private home fair game to anyone that wants to enter. It's amazing

You guys are misinterpreting thier position. I don't agree with it, but you are getting it all wrong. They don't think that the criminals are innocent. They don't think that the criminals have a right to break into his home. The would punish the burgler for breaking and entering just as you would. However...
They also recgnize that guns are dangerous in teh wrong hands, and as the owner of a gun you should take extra precautions in the case that someone does break into your house. If you recognize that break ins do happen, you should have your guns secured more so then you would your TV or your DVD player. Why? Because a stolen gun is a risk to society. A DVD player is not. The only reason to own a stolen gun is to commit a crime with it. So you have an additional responsiblity as a gun owner to make sure that your guns don't end up in the hands of a criminal.
You guys get caught up in the whole issue where you connect the two "crimes". No one is blaming ballz for the fact that his house was broken into and no one says that he burgler shoudln't also be punished. But they are saying that you have an additional duty to society if you choose to own a firearm, and that is to take reasonable measures to make sure they don't get stolen.

[Thorgrim]

Originally Posted by Stylerod

Again. You blame Ballz, probably because he is a conservative, yet you don't seem to ever fault the real criminals that broke into his house to steak his credit cards and ended up finding his guns.

I'm sure those thieves are just misunderstood or a "victim of society".


Only liberals would consider a locked private home fair game to anyone that wants to enter. It's amazing

I don't "blame" B2W for anything, he violated the law and the legal system will deal with him in whatever manner and I have no personal interest in an outcome one way or another

I didn't say it was "fair game" and I'm not giving the criminals any slack, it's simply we know nothing about them, so it's impossible to form any LOGICAL conclusion...for all we know it was Al-Qaeda or maybe it was a couple of teens who didn't know any better...its a total spectrum and we have no idea...so why talk about other people?

[Thorgrim]

Originally Posted by WickedLou9

You guys are misinterpreting thier position. I don't agree with it, but you are getting it all wrong. They don't think that the criminals are innocent. They don't think that the criminals have a right to break into his home. The would punish the burgler for breaking and entering just as you would. However...
They also recgnize that guns are dangerous in teh wrong hands, and as the owner of a gun you should take extra precautions in the case that someone does break into your house. If you recognize that break ins do happen, you should have your guns secured more so then you would your TV or your DVD player. Why? Because a stolen gun is a risk to society. A DVD player is not. The only reason to own a stolen gun is to commit a crime with it. So you have an additional responsiblity as a gun owner to make sure that your guns don't end up in the hands of a criminal.
You guys get caught up in the whole issue where you connect the two "crimes". No one is blaming ballz for the fact that his house was broken into and no one says that he burgler shoudln't also be punished. But they are saying that you have an additional duty to society if you choose to own a firearm, and that is to take reasonable measures to make sure they don't get stolen.

It's actually even less than that, I don't neccesarily agree with the law, but I don't agree with the 65 speed limit either

Does that mean when I get a ticket for going speeding (even just going 70), I'm going to come on here and talk about how unfair traffic laws are and how I don't deserve to lose my license or pay a fine or whatever

No, while I believe the speed limit should be higher in many areas, I shut up and pay the fine, I broke the law I know my place

[kinggovernor]

so how can the state prove that they weren't locked?

[Thorgrim]

An officer will be subpoenaed to testify in court, and he will say "The defendant admitted to me that the guns were not locked, that the only barrier was a locked front door"

That will be the ONLY fact that the judge (probably) or jury (unlikely) will consider

That assumes this actually goes forward

[Stylerod]

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

so how can the state prove that they weren't locked?

Ballz told the officers they weren't. When he went through the registration process there was no law saying you had to lock your guns inside your locked house. The law changed and Ballz didn't know.

[Thorgrim]

Originally Posted by Stylerod

Ballz told the officers they weren't. When he went through the registration process there was no law saying you had to lock your guns inside your locked house. The law changed and Ballz didn't know.

Supposedly he hadn't looked at any changes in gun laws, or purchased/traded any guns in over a decade...again, supposedly

[kinggovernor]

Originally Posted by Stylerod

Ballz told the officers they weren't. When he went through the registration process there was no law saying you had to lock your guns inside your locked house. The law changed and Ballz didn't know.

he shouldn't have answered the question when asked

[RMNIXON]

Originally Posted by Stylerod

Ballz told the officers they weren't. When he went through the registration process there was no law saying you had to lock your guns inside your locked house. The law changed and Ballz didn't know.

What an obvious danger to the community!

Children RUN!

[RMNIXON]

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

he shouldn't have answered the question when asked

But it is your duty to answer to all bureaucratic Nazis as long as they work hard at disarming the citizen rebels who think they have Rights the State has not granted to them.

[motivez]

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

he shouldn't have answered the question when asked

He didn't know there was incriminating himself because he wasn't aware of the law

[WickedLou9]

That's a little bit over-dramatic don't you think?

Originally Posted by RMNIXON

But it is your duty to answer to all bureaucratic Nazis as long as they work hard at disarming the citizen rebels who think they have Rights the State has not granted to them.

[RMNIXON]

Originally Posted by WickedLou9

That's a little bit over-dramatic don't you think?

A Bit.


But it is the Speakeasy and I like posting pictures. I was thinking not so much about the police in this case as those who seem to support this action.

[kinggovernor]

Originally Posted by motivez

He didn't know there was incriminating himself because he wasn't aware of the law

Yea I know but really the only way a case could be proven for this is if the owners makes a statement.

it sucks all the way around.

[ballz2wallz]

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

he shouldn't have answered the question when asked

Yeah NOW I know that. I've never been in trouble with the law before, and I thought I was being a good citizen by helping them with their questions

[ballz2wallz]

Originally Posted by WickedLou9

That's a little bit over-dramatic don't you think?

Isn't this whole case being brought against me a bit over-dramatic?

[kinggovernor]

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

Yeah NOW I know that. I've never been in trouble with the law before, and I thought I was being a good citizen by helping them with their questions