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ballz2wallz · 07-23-2007, 02:25 PM

Originally Posted by motivez

There should definitely be an attempt to educate gun owners if they're going to have a law like this one, all law abiding citizens who own a gun should be aware of any laws / requirements for storage, transport, etc of guns and ammo..

That said, ignorance is never an excuse and personal responsibility in making an effort to learn about the laws is a principle I'm sure you can get behind even while disagreeing with the law.

We have to be careful not to confuse this law as a federal or even a common law...it's not. MA is practically the only state in the country that has this law. To act like it's something that 'all gun-owners should know' or something is just plain stupid. Sure, gun-owners in MA should know the MA laws, but let's not get carried away with the 'safety' of these laws and 'responsibility' of the gun-owners in such a broad sweep. Were I in any other state, I'd be considered safe and responsible.

DosEquis · 07-23-2007, 02:26 PM

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

We have to be careful not to confuse this law as a federal or even a common law...it's not. MA is practically the only state in the country that has this law. To act like it's something that 'all gun-owners should know' or something is just plain stupid. Sure, gun-owners in MA should know the MA laws, but let's not get carried away with the 'safety' of these laws and 'responsibility' of the gun-owners in such a broad sweep. Were I in any other state, I'd be considered safe and responsible.

Yeah, but we couldn't get married either. Quit just thinking of yourself and your dumb guns you ass bag.

motivez · 07-23-2007, 02:31 PM

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

We have to be careful not to confuse this law as a federal or even a common law...it's not. MA is practically the only state in the country that has this law. To act like it's something that 'all gun-owners should know' or something is just plain stupid. Sure, gun-owners in MA should know the MA laws, but let's not get carried away with the 'safety' of these laws and 'responsibility' of the gun-owners in such a broad sweep. Were I in any other state, I'd be considered safe and responsible.

I'm obviously not suggesting gun owners should take the time to learn MA laws if they live elsewhere.. rather, that they should make an effort to learn any laws and regulations that do govern the storage, transportation, etc.. for wherever they live.

ballz2wallz · 07-23-2007, 02:39 PM

Originally Posted by motivez

I'm obviously not suggesting gun owners should take the time to learn MA laws if they live elsewhere.. rather, that they should make an effort to learn any laws and regulations that do govern the storage, transportation, etc.. for wherever they live.

I understand that, but some in this thread have been making sweeping generalizations that not having a gun in a safe or locked up tightly is 'irresponsible' or 'unsafe'. The only thing even close to irresponsible in this scenario is that I was unaware of that law in this state. Other than that, such a sweeping generalization is not even the case outside of this small state.

hsmith · 07-23-2007, 02:50 PM

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

So I guess the 5th amendment is immoral because it gives the government the right to take away your property just by giving some just compensation

yes

Thorgrim · 07-23-2007, 02:57 PM

Originally Posted by hsmith

yes

Those damned founding fathers! If only they had waited for von Mises to write a real constitution, we wouldn't have that tyrannical document we call the Supreme Law of the Land

Donkey® · 07-23-2007, 05:15 PM

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

I'm only gonna go to such extreme measures if this thing takes me to court. If the state of MA is gonna make an ass out of themselves, I'll pull out all the stops, including the NRA, Hannity and Colmes, Bill O'Reilly, David Pakman...

I seriously don't think the NRA would be your advocate. They are pretty specific in their "rules" about knowing your local gun laws and being responsible by securing your firearms.

Linzyhop · 07-23-2007, 05:40 PM

Originally Posted by Donkey®

I seriously don't think the NRA would be your advocate. They are pretty specific in their "rules" about knowing your local gun laws and being responsible by securing your firearms.

if he's a lifetime member, you can be damned sure they'll come to his aid.

Donkey® · 07-23-2007, 05:55 PM

Originally Posted by Linzyhop

if he's a lifetime member, you can be damned sure they'll come to his aid.

Will you stop humping his leg anytime soon? Jesus.

Linzyhop · 07-23-2007, 05:57 PM

Originally Posted by Donkey®

Will you stop humping his leg anytime soon? Jesus.

my dad was an NRA lifetime member. I am familiar with lifetime membership benefits.

thanks for your needless 2 cents.

by the way, when you have a friend, you help them out and back them up. maybe you should get one so you know what it's like.

Donkey® · 07-23-2007, 05:59 PM

Originally Posted by Linzyhop

my dad was an NRA lifetime member. I am familiar with lifetime membership benefits.

thanks for your needless 2 cents.

It wasn't needless. You really do need to back away from his leg and pay attention to the actual facts of the case. We KNOW you love him. We KNOW you'll say whatever needs to be said to profess your love. Get off it already.

Linzyhop · 07-23-2007, 06:18 PM

Originally Posted by Donkey®

It wasn't needless. You really do need to back away from his leg and pay attention to the actual facts of the case. We KNOW you love him. We KNOW you'll say whatever needs to be said to profess your love. Get off it already.

i see you intentionally left off the "friend" part of my post.

it's okay donkey. i'm sure if you pay someone, they'll be your friend.

maybe.

Thorgrim · 07-23-2007, 07:06 PM

The lady doth protest too much, methinks

RMNIXON · 07-23-2007, 07:30 PM

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

We have to be careful not to confuse this law as a federal or even a common law...it's not. MA is practically the only state in the country that has this law. To act like it's something that 'all gun-owners should know' or something is just plain stupid. Sure, gun-owners in MA should know the MA laws, but let's not get carried away with the 'safety' of these laws and 'responsibility' of the gun-owners in such a broad sweep. Were I in any other state, I'd be considered safe and responsible.

So it is just the State and local Brownshirts we are talking about here! Perhaps if more gun owners were aware of the they would work hard to change it!

Thorgrim · 07-23-2007, 07:55 PM

Originally Posted by RMNIXON

So it is just the State and local Brownshirts we are talking about here! Perhaps if more gun owners were aware of the they would work hard to change it!

I don't know what either of you are talking about except that these laws are more constitutional because they aren't just adopted common law or federal laws

kinggovernor · 07-23-2007, 11:19 PM

Originally Posted by Donkey®

I seriously don't think the NRA would be your advocate. They are pretty specific in their "rules" about knowing your local gun laws and being responsible by securing your firearms.

ballz may be the perfect candiate, a fine upstanding citizen, to take this law on.

hsmith · 07-24-2007, 03:08 PM

So Thorgrim, can you recite all the laws you must abide by in your state?

Or are you just, of course, applying an unjust requirement on ballz when you can't even memorize all laws which you must obey?

Donkey® · 07-24-2007, 03:21 PM

Originally Posted by hsmith

So Thorgrim, can you recite all the laws you must abide by in your state?

Or are you just, of course, applying an unjust requirement on ballz when you can't even memorize all laws which you must obey?

When you purchase a gun or start driving a car, it's almost certain you should at least brush up on the rules.

Thorgrim · 07-24-2007, 03:24 PM

Originally Posted by hsmith

So Thorgrim, can you recite all the laws you must abide by in your state?

Or are you just, of course, applying an unjust requirement on ballz when you can't even memorize all laws which you must obey?

who said he had to memorize every law, and that's a fallacious argument because then people could be found not guilty on most criminal charges because they didn't know the specific law

He's a politically active person interested in gun laws, in one of the most gun-control advocating states in the country, and for over a decade while he certainly was aware gun laws were being increased and decreased, never bothered to even briefly check with a police officer, local sheriff, friendly lawyer, whatever, if there was anything different about the gun laws as he read them over 10 years ago as preparation for buying a handgun

JaJae · 07-24-2007, 03:29 PM

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

who said he had to memorize every law, and that's a fallacious argument because then people could be found not guilty on most criminal charges because they didn't know the specific law

So then you're saying people should be convicted for uncommon laws they didn't know about. They're not responsible for knowing all the laws, but they're responsible if they break one.

He's a politically active person interested in gun laws, in one of the most gun-control advocating states in the country, and for over a decade while he certainly was aware gun laws were being increased and decreased, never bothered to even briefly check with a police officer, local sheriff, friendly lawyer, whatever, if there was anything different about the gun laws as he read them over 10 years ago as preparation for buying a handgun

You seem to have a lot of personal information on Ballz... Is there something we should know about you two?