Taliban holds 23 Christians hostage; threatens to cut off their heads - Page 3

Donkey® · 07-25-2007, 02:49 PM

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

Yeah, NOW it's making news. It's been an issue for the past couple weeks.

I am not looking it up but it has been on CNN the past couple of weeks...

Thorgrim · 07-25-2007, 03:01 PM

Originally Posted by DosEquis

Um it took up half of the gulf of mexico and they saw it building strenght every hour it was past florida.

If i see this on TV, my ass is movin out of the way.

Yeah and if I'm leading the country in Congress and the WH, I'm thinking "we have to get a major crisis team ready to hit there as soon as the storm leaves NO!"

However, they didn't...and since FEMA in the past responded properly to every other recent hurricane disaster, why should they be different?

Thorgrim · 07-25-2007, 03:02 PM

Originally Posted by Donkey®

I am not looking it up but it has been on CNN the past couple of weeks...

I must concur with my esteemed colleague

It was all over the place, I didn't save links sorry

ballz2wallz · 07-25-2007, 03:27 PM

They weren't bluffing:

The bullet-riddled body of a South Korean hostage was found by police Wednesday in central Afghanistan after a purported Taliban spokesman said the militants had killed one of the captives.

The male victim had 10 bullet holes in his head, chest and stomach, and was discovered in the Mushaki area of Qarabagh district in Ghazni province, said police officer Abdul Rahman.

The Taliban spokesman said earlier that the hostage was was killed because Afghan authorities hadn’t met their demands to release other militants from prison.

Donkey® · 07-25-2007, 03:31 PM

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

They weren't bluffing:

I just posted a story with that...I guess your internets are slow and that's why you didn't hear about this.

Stylerod · 07-25-2007, 03:37 PM

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

I'm not surprised that the Taliban would do such things, nor am I surprised that good Christian people would put themselves in harm way in an attempt to do good. But I will not blame the Christian doctors and nurses for the actions of the Taliban.

It's hard for anti-Christian/anti-religion people to understand this. These people tend to be very self centered and don't understand what a "calling" truly means . They are full of suspicion about this because they can't imagine themselves serving others and taking risks like these Koreans have done. They don't understand that is the act of helping that is the most rewarding. It usually doesn't involve trying to "trick" people into believing in Christ. They do the best they can, help as many people as they can, and let their ACTIONS be the word of Christ.

These people go to places where people need help. They help people that might have never met a Christian before and those people then find that Christians aren't bad people at all. They are actually nice, and genuine. Of course most of them love their religion as much as the Christians do and will never convert, but they go away with a good view of Christianity. That is what most of these people would want and what is good for the world in general.

ballz2wallz · 07-25-2007, 03:43 PM

Originally Posted by Stylerod

It's hard for anti-Christian/anti-religion people to understand this. These people tend to be very self centered and don't understand what a "calling" truly means . They are full of suspicion about this because they can't imagine themselves serving others and taking risks like these Koreans have done. They don't understand that is the act of helping that is the most rewarding. It usually doesn't involve trying to "trick" people into believing in Christ. They do the best they can, help as many people as they can, and let their ACTIONS be the word of Christ.

These people go to places where people need help. They help people that might have never met a Christian before and those people then find that Christians aren't bad people at all. They are actually nice, and genuine. Of course most of them love their religion as much as the Christians do and will never convert, but they go away with a good view of Christianity. That is what most of these people would want and what is good for the world in general.

That's a large reason I'm going to Africa in Sept. Will I be criticized for going to help the people over there because there are diseases in Africa and rebel factions around the whole continent? Will I be criticized for putting myself in harm's way because others can but won't do such things?

Thorgrim · 07-25-2007, 03:43 PM

Originally Posted by Stylerod

It's hard for anti-Christian/anti-religion people to understand this. These people tend to be very self centered and don't understand what a "calling" truly means . They are full of suspicion about this because they can't imagine themselves serving others and taking risks like these Koreans have done. They don't understand that is the act of helping that is the most rewarding. It usually doesn't involve trying to "trick" people into believing in Christ. They do the best they can, help as many people as they can, and let their ACTIONS be the word of Christ.

These people go to places where people need help. They help people that might have never met a Christian before and those people then find that Christians aren't bad people at all. They are actually nice, and genuine. Of course most of them love their religion as much as the Christians do and will never convert, but they go away with a good view of Christianity. That is what most of these people would want and what is good for the world in general.

Some may not understand, but others do

Stylerod · 07-25-2007, 03:49 PM

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

Some may not understand, but others do

Exactly. You can see examples of both in this thread.

DosEquis · 07-25-2007, 04:18 PM

Bear Grylls should do a Man vs Wild in afghanistan. That way the christians can watch survival techniques in relation to the afghan mountains, the wild life, and the taliban.

"ooh look there.. look there.. most dangerous animal in this country.. i want to stay clear of that species of taliban.. they are probably high in protien.. but they run in monkeysphere's of 20 or more and can randomly attack."

Stylerod · 07-25-2007, 04:34 PM

Originally Posted by DosEquis

Bear Grylls should do a Man vs Wild in afghanistan. That way the christians can watch survival techniques in relation to the afghan mountains, the wild life, and the taliban.

"ooh look there.. look there.. most dangerous animal in this country.. i want to stay clear of that species of taliban.. they are probably high in protien.. but they run in monkeysphere's of 20 or more and can randomly attack."

thomez · 07-25-2007, 05:26 PM

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

The Federal Congress and President thought the storm was going to miss a full hit and there was no need to get anything big ready...leaders of our country aren't even bothering a "just in case" scenario and everyone in NO is supposed to think better than they did?

yes, because I've lived there and everyone who lives there knows that the city could not sustain even a Cat 3 storm

thomez · 07-25-2007, 05:38 PM

Originally Posted by Stylerod

It's hard for anti-Christian/anti-religion people to understand this.

It has nothing to do with being "anti-Christian or anti-religion" but it has a lot to do with having common fucking sense. If you are a Korean Christian the safest place to be probably isn't one of the most militant Muslim countries on earth which is still filled with people who believe you are sinning if you don't grow a long beard and wear a fucking turban (and veil). I mean, come the fuck on. Traveling to Afghanistan with a "Christian aide organization" while we are still fighting a war there against resurgent militant "Islamo-fascists" (to steal Bush's term) ..... brilliant fucking idea. You've just jumped in a shark tank and nobody should be shocked when they bite.

Publius · 07-25-2007, 05:40 PM

Originally Posted by Stylerod

It's hard for anti-Christian/anti-religion people to understand this. These people tend to be very self centered and don't understand what a "calling" truly means . They are full of suspicion about this because they can't imagine themselves serving others and taking risks like these Koreans have done. They don't understand that is the act of helping that is the most rewarding. It usually doesn't involve trying to "trick" people into believing in Christ. They do the best they can, help as many people as they can, and let their ACTIONS be the word of Christ.

These people go to places where people need help. They help people that might have never met a Christian before and those people then find that Christians aren't bad people at all. They are actually nice, and genuine. Of course most of them love their religion as much as the Christians do and will never convert, but they go away with a good view of Christianity. That is what most of these people would want and what is good for the world in general.

I find it offensive that you're calling an entire swath of people self-centered just because they aren't shocked or surprised that these people are being treated this way.

ballz2wallz · 07-25-2007, 05:47 PM

Originally Posted by Publius

I find it offensive that you're calling an entire swath of people self-centered just because they aren't shocked or surprised that these people are being treated this way.

Nobody is shocked or surprised that they are being treated this way (by the Taliban). Half the people here are 'shocked and surprised' that these people would go to a poor country to help!

thomez · 07-25-2007, 05:50 PM

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

Nobody is shocked or surprised that they are being treated this way (by the Taliban). Half the people here are 'shocked and surprised' that these people would go to a poor country to help!

I'm also not shocked or surprised that people would do such a thing, people have been doing "God's work" for thousands of years

motivez · 07-25-2007, 06:01 PM

I don't think they're at all surprised that they'd go somewhere like this, but let's be realistic, it's not a secret that many of these organizations go there to proselytize under the guise of aid work.

It just so happens that this is a place where people take their religion more seriously than almost anywhere else on Earth, and don't take kindly to people telling them their religion is false and the only way to salvation is through Jesus Christ.

The concept that "Christianity would do them some good" is just laughable in it's arrogance and lack of respect for other cultures and religion.

garbagemanlb · 07-25-2007, 06:06 PM

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

Nobody is shocked or surprised that they are being treated this way (by the Taliban). Half the people here are 'shocked and surprised' that these people would go to a poor country to help!

Good for them, but they also knew the situation going in. I hope the rest of them make it out safely.

I wonder how many secular humanitarian agencies have lost people in Iraq and Afghanistan, if we are going to turn this into a stupid christian v. atheist discussion.