Taliban holds 23 Christians hostage; threatens to cut off their heads

[Rouger2]

Originally Posted by SpicyMcVoodoo

A little Christianity might do those people some good? After that comment, I don't know what is the point of continuing this conversation...I'm sure they think a little Islam might do you some good. How do we resolve this? Hint: you can't, and your line of thinking has led to thousands of years of fighting and millions of deaths.

Anyway, they are free to do secular aid all they want. There's nothing wrong, illegal or dangerous about that. Good for them. However, they don't just do that. They purposefully disobey the laws of the lands they're visitors in by insisting on pimping their religion where it's illegal to do so.

A basic tenant of visiting another's home or country is to respect their laws. These people think they're above the law because they just have to market their invisible man. There's nothing admirable or good about that. And if you think strongly held beliefs entitle a person to disobey laws of a foreign country, then you're implicitly justifying Muslims disobeying American laws.

Do you know they were pimping their religion, and how could they get in to that country if it was against the law. The Taliban law maybe, but that is bull shit law and how they interpet their religion.

[Rouger2]

Originally Posted by thomez

It has nothing to do with being "anti-Christian or anti-religion" but it has a lot to do with having common fucking sense. If you are a Korean Christian the safest place to be probably isn't one of the most militant Muslim countries on earth which is still filled with people who believe you are sinning if you don't grow a long beard and wear a fucking turban (and veil). I mean, come the fuck on. Traveling to Afghanistan with a "Christian aide organization" while we are still fighting a war there against resurgent militant "Islamo-fascists" (to steal Bush's term) ..... brilliant fucking idea. You've just jumped in a shark tank and nobody should be shocked when they bite.

So they knew what they were getting into. It is what you call bravery. Governments don't help them out because they want to show they won't give in to terrorist, and they have not gotten a lot of publicity so that could not be their motivation. Christianity does not seem like it is tough enough to be the religion to follow. Following the example of Jesus. Turn the other cheek does not seem like it could beat the evil in this world or our animal selves, but those people think so. So give them a break.

[ballz2wallz]

Originally Posted by garbagemanlb

I wonder how many secular humanitarian agencies have lost people in Iraq and Afghanistan, if we are going to turn this into a stupid christian v. atheist discussion.

I suspect that if you count all the contractors and people going rebuild Iraq and Afghanistan, I'd say there have been plenty of non-Christians that have been kidnapped and/or killed.

[SpicyMcVoodoo]

Originally Posted by Stylerod

It's hard for anti-Christian/anti-religion people to understand this. These people tend to be very self centered and don't understand what a "calling" truly means .

What you're justifying is the epitome of being self centered. Christians who deliberately proselytize where it's illegal ignore the law of the land because THEIR personal, subjective beliefs about the universe are all that matters to them. They're saying, I don't care what the law is, I don't care what these people find offensive, I don't care about these people's social structure...if I think something is good, well then dammit, I'm gonna do it.

Originally Posted by Stylerod

They are full of suspicion about this because they can't imagine themselves serving others and taking risks like these Koreans have done. They don't understand that is the act of helping that is the most rewarding. It usually doesn't involve trying to "trick" people into believing in Christ. They do the best they can, help as many people as they can, and let their ACTIONS be the word of Christ.

You're admitting right here your ulterior motive is to spread Christianity by your actions. Thanks for pointing this out, because even if these people weren't blatantly proselytizing, at minimum, they were trying to fit through the "proselytizing through their actions" loophole. You and I both know that blatantly saying "come to Christ" would be illegal, but you think you can get away with advertising you're Christian, being nice, and indirectly advertising for Christianity...even though you know it's against the spirit of the law in those places.

If you were truly about generosity and charity, you'd keep quiet about your religion and you'd just help these people. The fact that they ostentatiously categorize themselves as Christians reveals what they're really trying to do.

Originally Posted by Stylerod

These people go to places where people need help. They help people that might have never met a Christian before and those people then find that Christians aren't bad people at all. They are actually nice, and genuine. Of course most of them love their religion as much as the Christians do and will never convert, but they go away with a good view of Christianity. That is what most of these people would want and what is good for the world in general.

No, what's bad for the world is people thinking "my God is real, and yours is fake, and I won't rest until you convert," which is what Muslims and Christians are doing. Christian "aid workers" who do stuff like this asking for trouble and deliberately do what they know is not acceptable where they're being hosted as guests. And although they're not cutting anyone's head off, their mentality is the same root problem as the Taliban's.

[SpicyMcVoodoo]

Current TV // Current Soul // Secret China Mission

Here's a great video which follows a group of Christian missionaries into China, where spreading religion is illegal, as they try to spread Christianity on the down-low by hosting an "English camp." It shows how they try to use songs and other subtle means of proselytizing, and how they're proud to spread Christianity where it's illegal to do so.

Those two Baylor girls arrested in Afghanistan during the invasion admitted to doing much the same thing. This is hardly radical. Christians do it all the time, and then act like "they were just there to help" when they get caught.

[ballz2wallz]

Originally Posted by SpicyMcVoodoo

Christian "aid workers" who do stuff like this asking for trouble and deliberately do what they know is not acceptable where they're being hosted as guests.

I assure you, they knew what is or isn't acceptable in their host country. Nobody goes over to a place like that not knowing what they're getting into.

And although they're not cutting anyone's head off, their mentality is the same root problem that the Taliban's.

What you're saying is "although they might not be killing people who don't believe in Christianity, their mentality is essentially the same as those that kill people who do not believe in Islam"



That doesn't make sense my friend.

[ballz2wallz]

Originally Posted by SpicyMcVoodoo

Current TV // Current Soul // Secret China Mission

Here's a great video which follows a group of Christian missionaries into China, where spreading religion is illegal, as they try to spread Christianity on the down-low by hosting an "English camp." It shows how they try to use songs and other subtle means of proselytizing, and how they're proud to spread Christianity where it's illegal to do so.

Those two Baylor girls arrested in Afghanistan during the invasion admitted to doing much the same thing. This is hardly radical. Christians do it all the time, and then act like "they were just there to help" when they get caught.

Well then, it's ok to kill them, kill them all!!!! It's all ok given those scenarios!

[SpicyMcVoodoo]

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

Well then, it's ok to kill them, kill them all!!!! It's all ok given those scenarios!

If I go into a country where there's a death penalty for drinking beer, and I know it's illegal to drink beer there, and I go intending to break the law and drink beer there, is it okay to kill me?

[SpicyMcVoodoo]

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

What you're saying is "although they might not be killing people who don't believe in Christianity, their mentality is essentially the same as those that kill people who do not believe in Islam"



That doesn't make sense my friend.

Sure it does. Believing that black people aren't fully human can manifest itself in subtle, non violent racism, or it can manifest itself in lynching them in the streets. In either case, it's the mentality that blacks aren't fully people is the root problem.

In the same way, thinking that people of other religions are wrong and are going to hell can manifest itself in "nicely" trying to convert them or in cutting their heads off. Either way, same root problem.

[Donkey®]

They hate us for our Jesus.

[ballz2wallz]

Originally Posted by SpicyMcVoodoo

If I go into a country where there's a death penalty for drinking beer, and I know it's illegal to drink beer there, and I go intending to break the law and drink beer there, is it okay to kill me?

Last I checked, it wasn't illegal to be a Christian in Afghanistan.

[ballz2wallz]

Originally Posted by SpicyMcVoodoo

Sure it does. Believing that black people aren't fully human can manifest itself in subtle, non violent racism, or it can manifest itself in lynching them in the streets. In either case, it's the mentality that blacks aren't fully people is the root problem.

In the same way, thinking that people of other religions are wrong and are going to hell can manifest itself in "nicely" trying to convert them or in cutting their heads off. Either way, same root problem.

at you saying that providing medical care is the same as cutting their heads off

[motivez]

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

at you saying that providing medical care is the same as cutting their heads off

at you missing his point entirely

[SpicyMcVoodoo]

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

at you saying that providing medical care is the same as cutting their heads off

Your habit of twisting everything I say into a simplistic absurdity is getting old.

[ballz2wallz]

Originally Posted by SpicyMcVoodoo

Your habit of twisting everything I say into a simplistic absurdity is getting old.

I know what you're saying...that they are both committing the same 'crime' by trying to share their own 'good will'. Except the problem, sir, is that one isn't good will. Killing people isn't good will. Helping those in need is, and therein lies the difference. You are saying that both of the major religions of the world are equally bad, and you're just wrong for that. These examples are living proof of that.

Your comparison of the two is equally absurd.

[ballz2wallz]

Originally Posted by motivez

at you missing his point entirely

at you for believing I believe this

Don't make this personal.

[motivez]

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

I know what you're saying...that they are both committing the same 'crime' by trying to share their own 'good will'. Except the problem, sir, is that one isn't good will. Killing people isn't good will. Helping those in need is, and therein lies the difference. You are saying that both of the major religions of the world are equally bad, and you're just wrong for that. These examples are living proof of that.

Your comparison of the two is equally absurd.

When you compare a history of the bad things people have done in the name of both Christianity and Islam, both are certainly "as bad" as one another in the things that have happened because of them.

It's simply that in recent history, Islam is being misused more prevalently and for much more shocking things (suicide bombings, etc), whereas Christianity is being used to prevent things like equal rights, etc.. which is much more "tame" to watch.

[motivez]

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

at you for believing I believe this

at you posting things you don't believe?