Taliban holds 23 Christians hostage; threatens to cut off their heads - Page 5

ballz2wallz · 07-25-2007, 10:17 PM

Originally Posted by motivez

When you compare a history of the bad things people have done in the name of both Christianity and Islam, both are certainly "as bad" as one another in the things that have happened because of them.

It's simply that in recent history, Islam is being misused more prevalently and for much more shocking things (suicide bombings, etc), whereas Christianity is being used to prevent things like equal rights, etc.. which is much more "tame" to watch.

We're talking about today, the present. Stop bringing in the past. Today is a much different time than it ever has been. Some of us have moved on from the past; some of us are stuck there. Can you guess who is stuck and who has moved on?

ballz2wallz · 07-25-2007, 10:18 PM

Originally Posted by motivez

at you posting things you don't believe?

Seriously?

SpicyMcVoodoo · 07-25-2007, 11:04 PM

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

How does ANYONE convert someone to Christianity, here or abroad? By showing them that it's a life-changing experience. Again, not by chopping their heads off. You are criticizing these people for wanting to HELP people, not only medically, but trying to influence their life in a good way. Whether or not you agree with that way is not your position to say. People are reached, touched, and influenced by Christians every day, and guess what? Those people that convert to Christianity sometimes go out and do the same thing, helping people in need! Who are you to criticize someone for wanting to share such a desire?

Millions of people also find gay sex to be a life-changing, touching experience. Who are you to criticize them for sharing such a desire?

Would your attitude change if a bunch of gay men advocating gay sex and doing aid work traveled to impoverished places spreading food, medicine and the life changing power of butt sex? To kids?

motivez · 07-26-2007, 12:02 AM

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

We're talking about today, the present. Stop bringing in the past. Today is a much different time than it ever has been. Some of us have moved on from the past; some of us are stuck there. Can you guess who is stuck and who has moved on?

The fact that it happened in the past doesn't mean it didn't happen. If you want to compare religions and say one isn't as bad as the other, a full account of the actions taken on behalf of both religions, past and present must be included.

SpicyMcVoodoo · 07-26-2007, 12:33 AM

Digital Chosunilbo (English Edition) : Daily News in English About Korea

"One netizen posted a video clip on YouTube of captured pictures and writings from the homepage of the victims suggesting that the Korean hostages carried out missionary work in mosques."

Interesting article about how these people spreading Christianity are causing an uproar not just in Afghanistan, but Korea too.

ballz2wallz · 07-26-2007, 08:40 AM

Originally Posted by motivez

The fact that it happened in the past doesn't mean it didn't happen. If you want to compare religions and say one isn't as bad as the other, a full account of the actions taken on behalf of both religions, past and present must be included.

But it's hardly relevant to what's goin on today

What someone did in the past 'in the name of ______' hardly matters to me when talking about what people are doing TODAY.

ballz2wallz · 07-26-2007, 08:41 AM

Originally Posted by SpicyMcVoodoo

Millions of people also find gay sex to be a life-changing, touching experience. Who are you to criticize them for sharing such a desire?

Would your attitude change if a bunch of gay men advocating gay sex and doing aid work traveled to impoverished places spreading food, medicine and the life changing power of butt sex? To kids?

Isnl't that going on now with gay parades and sex education classes?

And why are you talking about sexual orientation now when we've been talking about religion?

ballz2wallz · 07-26-2007, 08:41 AM

Originally Posted by SpicyMcVoodoo

Interesting article about how these people spreading Christianity are causing an uproar not just in Afghanistan, but Korea too.

Oh, you mean you have friends out there in the world also in an uproar.

Stylerod · 07-26-2007, 11:10 AM

Originally Posted by motivez

I don't think they're at all surprised that they'd go somewhere like this, but let's be realistic, it's not a secret that many of these organizations go there to proselytize under the guise of aid work.

It just so happens that this is a place where people take their religion more seriously than almost anywhere else on Earth, and don't take kindly to people telling them their religion is false and the only way to salvation is through Jesus Christ.

Did you even read what I said? You speculating what they were doing completely! You have no clue that they were telling those people they are following a false profit.

"Under the guise of aid work". It's like you are hoping they were doing it just so you can not feel as bad for them or something. Amazing and ignorant comment.

Stylerod · 07-26-2007, 11:11 AM

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

Nobody is shocked or surprised that they are being treated this way (by the Taliban). Half the people here are 'shocked and surprised' that these people would go to a poor country to help!

Exactly.

motivez · 07-26-2007, 11:15 AM

Originally Posted by Stylerod

Did you even read what I said? You speculating what they were doing completely! You have no clue that they were telling those people they are following a false profit.

The Euro is EVIL! The WON is the only way!

Sure I'm speculating, I can't be sure, and neither can you. However, looking at the link Spicy posted, the likelihood that I'm correct increases dramatically... whereas your blatantly wishful thinking continues to ignore the reality that many of these organizations say they're ONLY there for aid work while they continue to proselytize.

Originally Posted by Stylerod

"Under the guise of aid work". It's like you are hoping they were doing it just so you can not feel as bad for them or something. Amazing and ignorant comment.

Oh yeah, that's exactly it. Way to make an completely asinine statement that goes contrary to everything else I've said in the thread.

Like this:

Originally Posted by motivez

I hope they get out safe for sure, situations like this are always horrible

this:

Originally Posted by motivez

I hope they get out safe either way, whether or not they were preaching doesn't excuse the actions of the Taliban..

and this:

Originally Posted by motivez

However, if they were preaching, it was extremely disrespectful to the sensibilities of those living in the area.. but it's certainly not just cause to kill someone.

But hey, I guess it's more fun to issue pathetic backhanded insults in an attempt to feel morally superior than it is to read the thread.

nbiggershaft · 07-26-2007, 11:42 AM

Originally Posted by garbagemanlb

If they weren't handing out bibles and preaching, then my hearts are with them. If they were, on the other hand, they can only blame themselves for their stupidity and lack of respect for the local culture, which is vehemently anti-christian.

The Taliban is demanding all South Korean troops leave Afghanistan, not the christianity fall to it's knees. This particular group was approved by the Afghan government on the basis that they would not promote christianity. Whether they carried bibles or appeared to be christians, who knows. But thats not ultimately important.

We are talking about a group, not supported by the general populous, that kills little girls for attending school or shoots people for building roads.

Everyone is trying to make this about christians being in a muslim country, but I don't think that is the issue. What you have is a people of all religions and colors being pushed around by a group of armed thugs that the international community was supposed to have dealt with.

To be honest I am suprised any Bush supporters want to bring attention to our failure in Afghanistan. So it's odd to me that in general here on LL anti-Bush people are trying to downplay Taliban actions and pro-Bush people are trying to highlight it. I guess the fact that they happen to be christian is the part of this story that sticks out.

ballz2wallz · 07-26-2007, 11:46 AM

Originally Posted by nbiggershaft

To be honest I am suprised any Bush supporters want to bring attention to our failure in Afghanistan. So it's odd to me that in general here on LL anti-Bush people are trying to downplay Taliban actions and pro-Bush people are trying to highlight it. I guess the fact that they happen to be christian is the part of this story that sticks out.

Very interesting point, and I'm glad you pointed it out.

However, I would have to disagree that it's 'Bush's failure' or 'our failures' in Afghanistan. The war in Afghanistan was not ours alone. We had full support with the world and our allies in going into that country. NATO is now in control in overseeing how Afghanistan is rebuilt, not the US. That country is a product of the world's efforst, not ours, so to blame us for specific 'failures' I find very bold.

nbiggershaft · 07-26-2007, 11:51 AM

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

Very interesting point, and I'm glad you pointed it out.

However, I would have to disagree that it's 'Bush's failure' or 'our failures' in Afghanistan. The war in Afghanistan was not ours alone. We had full support with the world and our allies in going into that country. NATO is now in control in overseeing how Afghanistan is rebuilt, not the US. That country is a product of the world's efforst, not ours, so to blame us for specific 'failures' I find very bold.

Even with support from others, we sit at the head of table when it comes to Afghanistan.

ballz2wallz · 07-26-2007, 11:52 AM

Originally Posted by nbiggershaft

Even with support from others, we sit at the head of table when it comes to Afghanistan.

Isn't that true for most international affairs?

Are we to blame for all the world's problems?

nbiggershaft · 07-26-2007, 11:59 AM

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

Isn't that true for most international affairs?

Are we to blame for all the world's problems?

yes/no
no

afghanistan is different than aids or poverty, it was war we led and people we vowed to help

AVengeance · 07-26-2007, 01:57 PM

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

Yeah, NOW it's making news. It's been an issue for the past couple weeks.

Well, now that one is dead, it's meat for the media dogs. No death, no care. Blood sells, no matter what the Red Cross says.

Rouger2 · 07-26-2007, 04:27 PM

I knew it. The Jehovah Witnesses are the ones who have caused some Muslums to hate us so much. Seriously I believe they are afraid of western culture and religion, and I believe that Jesus and the new testament is someting new and better than all the old religions even the old testament so they have something to be afraid of. I know love thy neighbor as thy self, and turn the other cheek cannot be followed to the letter if you want to survive in this world but they can be a guide and something to strive for.

SpicyMcVoodoo · 07-26-2007, 06:31 PM

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

Isnl't that going on now with gay parades and sex education classes?

Arguably, yes. Some people feel that gay sex is a beautiful thing that changes lives for the better, and they want to spread the word that it's okay to be gay. There's nothing malicious about it. They genuinely believe that being gay could improve people's lives and they want to talk about it to others, even kids.

Basically, all the rationales you and stylerod give for christians proselytizing in the muslim world apply to gay people trying to teach your kids about butt sex as well, but for some reason, your attitude changes about it.

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz