With a new president, what will happen?

[DosEquis]

It depends on who gets elected honestly. Just to play along with your example, I will use the guy that I would like to get elected, Joe Biden. His baggage is plagiarism charges from 20 years ago, and he occasionally puts his foot in his mouth. He is the 'tell it like it is' type that i respect. When he changes his mind on an issue, such as No Child Left Behind, he explains why he made the mistake.

Historically Joe Biden has been successful at being a bipartisan representative in government. He works with people of all political philosphy. In the debate he said he would consider republican Dick Lugar for secretary of state. He is the only candidate with a detailed plan for a possible political solution and withdrawl from Iraq.

With is presidency I think we get an Iraq policy that people can get behind, even those who just want us to up and leave. I think a good portion of those who want us to just abandon the whole thing only want to abandon the Bush policy. If we had a policy that had a chance, I am not sure this would be as big of issue. I would be willing to bet if we had an idea that had hope of success 60% of those who want a withdrawl immediately would say 'lets give this the final chance'.

Based upon what he has said in the debate regarding immigration, i believe he would combine a real border security bill with the amnesty plan that was previously presented. I do not like the amnesty portion of it, but I would almost be willing to hold my nose if we actually secured the border so we don't have to do amnesty again. I would like to point out that we wouldn't have this issue if Ronald Reagan would have just taken care of it in 1986.

His foreign policy experience is there and I think we will see a beggining to the return to respectability for our country.

I see him raising capital gains tax, and income taxes that affect the upper 1% of americans and with that i see a more balanced budget.

He will act in Darfur.

Once all that is addressed I think we might see healthcare discussed, but we have a lot of fires to put out.

We have so many fuck ups to fix social security will probably take a back seat until we get other things figured out.

[RMNIXON]

I don't think anything will be done with Social Security until the financial disaster is right on top of us! Who know what other major problems we will have created with more government by that time? I think young and old people may be at each others throats in decades to come if the entitlement metality continues to grow.

[RMNIXON]

I also predict tax increases on the Rich, more so if any Democrat gets elected. It won't hurt the rich, but it will suck capital out of the private sector and investment and growth planning in business will slow along with new jobs. It will all be blammed on capitalism and greed.

[DosEquis]

Originally Posted by RMNIXON

I also predict tax increases on the Rich, more so if any Democrat gets elected. It won't hurt the rich, but it will suck capital out of the private sector and investment and growth planning in business will slow along with new jobs. It will all be blammed on capitalism and greed.

I don't think growth will slow at all. Demand determines growth. The middle class and poor are the rest of the country that will not affected by tax increases. They are the 99%, including me and you, that determine demand. When we have more money, we spend more money, increasing demand. Consumer spending is 60%+ of our economy. As long as the 99% of us (the average consumer) has money to spend we will see growth regardless of their capital gains tax levels.

Essentially, you believe in trickle down, i believe in trickle up.

[DosEquis]

Another thing Joe Biden (per his statements anyway) would do, and most other democrats, would be to pass new tougher environmental standards across the board.

He is also for public financing of campaigns.

[kinggovernor]

Originally Posted by mididoctors

very good question ballz

I'm going to give you a rep point.

I gave it to him, you wanted to give me some, so it is just a transfer.


PS your PMs are always a great read

[kinggovernor]

Originally Posted by Linzyhop

I definitely think that we need a middle ground leader. a liberal with more conservative leanings or a republican with more progressive ideas.

that is what we have had since 1992.

and i need a naked hot male servant, preferably with green eyes and taller than I am, but meek enough to be controlled.

and I want a blow job.

[SoFlaJDM]

with a democrat in the white house and dems winning even more seats in the senate, i think things can change rather quickly in iraq

[ballz2wallz]

Originally Posted by SoFlaJDM

with a democrat in the white house and dems winning even more seats in the senate, i think things can change rather quickly in iraq

But how?

Remember don't put what you think can happen or you want to happen, put what you think will happen.

[avsp]

depending upon the markets perception of resolution of the admins 'pull-out' policy the oil price will change. this is almost certainly occur before the results are in

if/when any such pull-out policy is formally announced/initiated the market will again adjust

if a pull out starts without any agreement on how Iran, Syria & SA are going to split Iraq then the oil price will hit something like $170-$200 a barrel

then i might just be able to read threads where ppl complain about how much they now have to pay for petrol & how its anybody's fault but their own before the lights go out & the world ignites

[DosEquis]

I believe oil will go up, but i am not sure it will go to that extent. Iraq is no where close to pre-war levels it had 5+ years ago.

I think we might see $80 again...$100 at the absolute most if things go screwy.

[avsp]

its a 'percieved threat of regional conflict' premium, ..., not a worry about Iraqi production levels.

Any new admins worrys about market reaction to any particular pull-out plan might be the best hope of ensuring that any pull-out isnt premature. Its sad to feel that this may be the case, ..., but I'm feeling especially pessimistic today

[SoFlaJDM]

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

But how?

Remember don't put what you think can happen or you want to happen, put what you think will happen.

that... is what i think will happen

[Thomas Crown]

Originally Posted by Linzyhop

if i must..


democratic president:
stem cell research will be funded - It is ALREADY funded. VERY common misconception is that Bush is BLOCKING stem cell research, he isn't.
possibly civil unions would be a federal option, gay marriage would still be up to the state - This has been presented as a federal option numerous times. It is the gay rights lobbies that shoot it down.
amnesty to illegals, border control not changed
healthcare not changed - I foresee even MORE pandering to the insurance lobbies.
possibly view of america bettered because democratic president will try to distance themselves as much as possible from Bush's actions (possibly with negative consequences) - Democrats have historically had very superficial foreign policies. This often stems the time of public anti-American sentiment, but does nothing substantial to fix real problems. You're right, that it will most likely have very negative consequences (more, and bigger terrorist attacks, etc)


republican president:
iffy on federal funding for stem cell research - See above.
no chance of civil unions - see above.
border control tighter, possibly mass deportation, although doubtful - One can hope, but it won't happen.
healthcare not changed - see above.
world's view of america still bettered because of republican president shows they're not completely like bush with international relations - This would be the better alternative imo. We need to improve policy while still standing firm.

hopefully if another repub comes into office, they will be more willing to accept blame and more willing to correct errors than bush has been. - Bush has admitted things aren't going the way he had hoped. This isn't his fault or any other American's fault for that matter. Wars are dynamic. There were things that were unexpected and you cannot prepare for EVERY contingency.

dems will hopefully not going completely in the opposite direction in some sense of redeeming themselves. if they do, they're going to go into a liberal tailspin out of control. - Dems talk a good talk but aren't as reformist as they say they are.

middle road is what needs to be traveled. hopefully it will.

better ballz?

I really don't see much change to the status quo.

[David Octavius]

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

Now for the most important point: the Iraq war and terrorism. Personally, I can't really imagine what is going to drastically change no matter who gets into office. Do people really expect a complete withdrawal once a new president is in office? I surely hope not, because that is naive thinking. Too often a new president takes office, realizes that the stuff he campaigned on is not exactly as easy to do as it is to say, and changes tactics. International policy is one of the most important jobs of the president, and surely they can't think that they will do everything opposite of what Bush is doing? Security will not be lightened, as the people will be watching that closely. The lives of our soldiers will not be taken lightly, as the people will also be watching that. A complete withdrawal I believe will anger the US people, as we don't want to make this whole war a worthless endeavor. So what do people think will happen? A slow withdrawal, based on the ability and security of the Iraqi people, is the only logical way to approach a withdrawal, and who will disagree with that? That is not really different than our approach right now.

Anyway, I'd be curious to hear what people think will be different.

Thomas Paine one wrote "Time makes more converts than reason", of course he was talking about separation from England but this statement is as true today as ever. By the time the new President gets elected, it may not be his/her choice anyway. If the Iraq was does not significantly improve, the call for withdrawal will drown out any reason to stay, just as the call for war with Iraq drowned out reasoning to not go.

Logic holds a precarious place in the emotions of man

[hsmith]

Prediction: Nothing will happen unless somehow a fringe candidate is elected.

Even then, without congress, nothing will occur.

[Publius]

Republican President: more violation of our freedoms and rights in the name of security/morality.

Democratic President: more violation of our freedoms and rights in the name of equality/fairness.