Liberals fire back at Fox News

JaJae · 07-28-2007, 04:01 PM

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In my other thread you can read about how Bill O'Rielly attacked YearlyKos and influenced their sponsors. In what seems to be retaliation against Bill O'Rielly and Fox News, liberal activist groups such as Moveon.org and DailyKos are organizing to influence people who advertise on Fox News.

First they attacked the radio and tried to limit conservative speech over the airwaves, now they're trying to limit conservative speech on cable television in a means to basically giving Bill O'Rielly (and Fox by default) a taste of his own medicine.

Rest assured these organizations who tried to push the Fairness Doctrine explain they aren't trying to silence Fox New's speech... in an extremely ackward explaination the spokesperson for Moveon.org explains:

MoveOn.org is campaigning against Fox because it says the network characterizes itself as a fair news network when it consistently favors a conservative point of view, said Adam Green, the organization's spokesman.

"We're not trying to silence anybody," Green said. "(Conservative radio talk show host) Rush Limbaugh has a right to be on the air — he admits his point of view. Fox doesn't."

So in other words they think Rush Limbaugh has the right to be on the air because he admits to being conservative. Fox Doesn't... therefore... what exactly? I don't know, but it does make for an interesting point. They failed to back up their statement. Either they think Rush Limbaugh has the right to be on the air for being open about his partisanship and Fox doesn't so they should be allowed as well. Or the way I read it was... Rush Limbaugh has the right to be on the air because he's open about his partisanship, but Fox doesn't so they're trying to silence him just as they've been trying to silence conservative radio.

This is a slightly different characterization moveon.org had in comparing Fox and Rush in the past:

The Democratic Party of Nevada just announced plans to let Fox News host a presidential primary debate.[1] But Fox isn't a legitimate news channel. It's a right-wing mouthpiece like Rush Limbaugh and the Drudge Report--repeating false Republican talking points to smear Democrats.

MoveOn.org Civic Action: Democracy in Action

Now I have no problem with organizations attacking partisan media groups... but when they're Moveon.org, mediamatters, George Soros funded, etc... at what point do you stand back and laugh at the gall they have to call someone else out on being biased. When the groups attacking Fox News are the ones as over the top biased as they are, it really makes me laugh at their elitist mentality of their shit don't stink. The reason Fox News has so many viewers and the reason they market themselves the way they do is because of these George Soros type organizations and media groups out there. They essentially make the market for Fox and give them all the incentives and profitability for giving the other side of the coin, something conservatives and Republicans can't get as easily as liberals. And essentially the only two markets conservatives turn to (Fox and radio) is under attack by liberals in an attempt to silence them or to change their format. Meanwhile they ignore their own personal biases or the bias of all their media organizations.

motivez · 07-28-2007, 04:21 PM

They don't claim to be non-biased groups, on their face they're progressive organizations interested in furthering the progressive cause.. so labeling them hypocrites or whatever with comments "like their shit don't stink" doesn't really work because the hypocrisy isn't there.

Whereas, Fox News claims to be a "fair and balanced" network, but in reality is nothing more than a conservative mouthpiece which parrots this Administration's talking points to the masses.

I also think you've misunderstood something. He's not saying Fox doesn't have a right to be on the air, he's saying Fox doesn't admit their point of view.

They're simply saying that Fox is different than Rush because they mislead their audience into believing they're getting an independent view of the news, when they're not.. whereas Rush is an admitted ~~drug addict~~ conservative.

Personally I'm glad to see this, Fox has no legitimacy in my mind, which is why I don't watch, listen, or read them. They're far too biased and paint pretty much everything with a pro-GOP/neocon/Bush brush.. interesting statistic that was on the other night, since the war started going "badly" -- they've covered it less than every other network. I wonder why?

I'm glad that people are organizing and telling companies who advertise with them their point of view. If these companies believe that there are going to lose business by supporting these kinds of people, then they should pull their ads..

If O'rly wants to go after sponsors, well, it's not like daily kos and moveon are small organizations, and if it's anything bloggers know how to do, it's write.. whereas O'rly's median 71 year old audience probably hasn't ever even used a computer

I believe Lowe's just pulled advertising from O'rly's show.

Rouger2 · 07-28-2007, 04:29 PM

It is all part of the Circus as both sides want the attention this will get them. The conflict, the fight that most seem to be drawn to like flies to dog poop. The screaming just gives me a head ache, but I'm an old guy. Young people now seem to love the fight the razzle dazzle instead of calm reasoned discussion, and compromise.

RMNIXON · 07-28-2007, 04:50 PM

This will backfire. The Fox audiance will grow. The sponsors will come. The far left cannot stand a market place of ideas or just about any other kind of market. If only they could reach Fox with the Fairness Doctrine!

As for DailyKos, if they are going to try and bring down Democrats who don't tow the far left party line I would hardly think they would give Fox News a break on anything. They don't use freedom of speech to be mere critics and commentators, they want to hurt people.

RMNIXON · 07-28-2007, 04:51 PM

Originally Posted by Rouger2

It is all part of the Circus as both sides want the attention this will get them. The conflict, the fight that most seem to be drawn to like flies to dog poop. The screaming just gives me a head ache, but I'm an old guy. Young people now seem to love the fight the razzle dazzle instead of calm reasoned discussion, and compromise.

Not another Rosie vs. Trump battle!

JaJae · 07-28-2007, 04:55 PM

For some reason I don't think Fox News being the number one watched news channel in America will have much trouble filling their commercial time slots with or without this movement.

While I agree with their premise and applaud their means of doing it, I laugh at the organizations behind it. I would be more willing to jump on this cause if it wasn't funded by George Soros... At that point it just becomes hilarious.

It's funny how George Soros has the ability to use his organizations to attempt to shut down his competition for "bias" while ignoring his own. His involvement in this ruins any credibility for this cause. The Kos crew should dump anything funded by George on this one in my opinion. This whole charade started because O'Rielly called out JetBlue's donation to YearlyKos (Mind you the majority stockholder happens to be George Soros, coincidence? No.) Another primary contributor to YearlyKos is moveon.org... funded by who? You guessed it George Soros. This really isn't a stretch to put two and two together of what's going on here.

While they make a good point, and contacting the sponsors is the best course of action in my opinion... I just have to laugh at the gall of these organizations to so blatantly pretend their connections and political movements aren't so closely related to George Soros and all the bias that incorporates him and themselves. They act like their shit don't stink and they're doing American a favor by essentially fighting for a liberal media monopoly. And half of America is so blind they go along with the absurdity because nobody openly makes the connections and connects the dots.

Many of these people agree with the "screw them" comments and lament at the failed assassinations attempts on Dick Cheney (better luck next time, etc). O'Rielly (Fox News) attacked YearlyKos for their foul content within their site. Kos and Moveon.org is attacking Fox News for not having the same bias as their organizations. That's really what it comes down to.

garbagemanlb · 07-28-2007, 05:50 PM

Originally Posted by JaJae

Many of these people agree with the "screw them" comments and lament at the failed assassinations attempts on Dick Cheney (better luck next time, etc). O'Rielly (Fox News) attacked YearlyKos for their foul content within their site. Kos and Moveon.org is attacking Fox News for not having the same bias as their organizations. That's really what it comes down to.

O'Reilly is such a fucking hypocrite. There are tons of posts on his site threatening liberals, yet he claims they don't represent his site, while failing to give the same benefit of the doubt to Kos.

He is possibly one of the dumbest people on TV, aside from Hannity.

Stylerod · 07-28-2007, 06:03 PM

As said above. It's Democrats and/or Liberals way of quieting the opposing view. First Radio, now this.

RMNIXON · 07-28-2007, 06:04 PM

Originally Posted by garbagemanlb

O'Reilly is such a fucking hypocrite. There are tons of posts on his site threatening liberals, yet he claims they don't represent his site, while failing to give the same benefit of the doubt to Kos.

He is possibly one of the dumbest people on TV, aside from Hannity.

He claims he removes threats or offensive remarks, but I have never looked.

The Picture of Bush with a Farm Animal was on DailyKos for three years. It was just removed when O'Reilly displayed it on the Factor. And he never asks people to taken action against anybody. He just asked why this Airline and the Democrats are in bed with these people. A legit question.

motivez · 07-28-2007, 06:49 PM

Originally Posted by Stylerod

As said above. It's Democrats and/or Liberals way of quieting the opposing view. First Radio, now this.

SoFlaJDM · 07-28-2007, 07:41 PM

murdoch attacking soros=ok

soros attacking back at murdoch=

makes sense to me

ballz2wallz · 07-28-2007, 08:09 PM

I think it's hilarious how much time liberals and Democrats spend bitching about Fox News. Once again, they could be using their time to better themselves, but instead they prefer to wander down these endless paths of trying to put someone else down.

ballz2wallz · 07-28-2007, 08:10 PM

Originally Posted by SoFlaJDM

murdoch attacking soros=ok

soros attacking back at murdoch=

makes sense to me

How did Murdoch attack Soros? Did he merely say something, or did he actually try to change his business? Did Murdoch create a campaign against moveon.org? I don't remember it if he did.

See, if you're going to make comparisons like this, make sure they actually did something similar.

SoFlaJDM · 07-28-2007, 08:20 PM

Thorgrim · 07-28-2007, 08:52 PM

Originally Posted by JaJae

For some reason I don't think Fox News being the number one watched news channel in America will have much trouble filling their commercial time slots with or without this movement.

While I agree with their premise and applaud their means of doing it, I laugh at the organizations behind it. I would be more willing to jump on this cause if it wasn't funded by George Soros... At that point it just becomes hilarious.

It's funny how George Soros has the ability to use his organizations to attempt to shut down his competition for "bias" while ignoring his own. His involvement in this ruins any credibility for this cause. The Kos crew should dump anything funded by George on this one in my opinion. This whole charade started because O'Rielly called out JetBlue's donation to YearlyKos (Mind you the majority stockholder happens to be George Soros, coincidence? No.) Another primary contributor to YearlyKos is moveon.org... funded by who? You guessed it George Soros. This really isn't a stretch to put two and two together of what's going on here.

While they make a good point, and contacting the sponsors is the best course of action in my opinion... I just have to laugh at the gall of these organizations to so blatantly pretend their connections and political movements aren't so closely related to George Soros and all the bias that incorporates him and themselves. They act like their shit don't stink and they're doing American a favor by essentially fighting for a liberal media monopoly. And half of America is so blind they go along with the absurdity because nobody openly makes the connections and connects the dots.

Many of these people agree with the "screw them" comments and lament at the failed assassinations attempts on Dick Cheney (better luck next time, etc). O'Rielly (Fox News) attacked YearlyKos for their foul content within their site. Kos and Moveon.org is attacking Fox News for not having the same bias as their organizations. That's really what it comes down to.

Oh where to begin... (no offense)

First off, these organizations have links to george soros...GS does not fund these...and remember, why GS maybe liberal, do you remember what he spent BILLIONS on before progressive networks (not DKos) asked for help? FIGHTING COMMUNISM in where the former soviet states are...

Also, just because an organization takes some money which somehow was in GS's hand...does not make them a bad organization...I bet GS will donate money to the Democrat in 2008, does that mean I can't volunteer? The bottom line is moveon does a lot of raising money and community activity that DOESN'T need a cent of outside money

And please, YKos is a big event and if you really think anyway there is some connection...conspiracy theory 101...its DC, there is so much money pouring through the system, im sure we can invent a game '6 degrees of soros'...and for the 3rd time: GS is not an evil guy! The way you sound...it's like he's hitler

And the last one is just silly...There was a HUGE diary with tons of recommendations hoping that Dick Cheney was safe and healthy...thats just plain bullshit acting like there was a popular move on millions of viewers website about crossing their fingers against Cheney's health

And the "screw em" comments, I've explained 10x and it's sad that you're bringing them up again...it's Markos and he had a very negative experience as a kid with mercenaries...if you got sued by personal injury lawyers, and your family lost everything, and 5 personal injury lawyers got killed in baghdad (trying to make a juicy lawsuit) don't deny you wouldn't think "screw em"

This is NOT a popular view...people respect Markos, but NOT ALL HIS VIEWS thats what makes Dkos so great, the fucking guy started the site and ive lost track of the times a majority of the community has gone "uh...markos...wtf" one off the top of my head was the paul hackett situation

In conclusion: Your "statements" from Dkos are actual statements, but misleading, and the GS stuff is just a stretch

JaJae · 07-28-2007, 08:54 PM

Originally Posted by SoFlaJDM

murdoch attacking soros=ok

soros attacking back at murdoch=

makes sense to me

No Fox News attacked the foul content that is displayed on Daily Kos. Whether you believe it runs rampant or not on DailyKos is open for discussion. In the grand scheme of things the amount is relatively small in my opinion, but it still exists and it is a large and powerful political body.

Bill O'Rielly was very clear as to why he was against YearlyKos and blamed it squarely on the content that is enclosed within the site. He's big on holding online blogs/etc accountable for what gets posted. He pays people to monitor his site and keeps it clean. He feels people like Kos who makes a living off his site should do the same, or they're open for attacks. Which in a lot of ways, he has a fairly decent point. It goes against the premise of a multi-user online blog, but it's not exactly a bad point he's making. Once again, I disagree with his view, but it's a justifiable position.

Attacking Fox because their motto is "Fair and Balanced" or because they're conservative and not as liberal as the George Soros funded organizations attacking it, makes absolutely no sense to me and I really can't see the justification for it.

RMNIXON · 07-28-2007, 10:34 PM

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

I think it's hilarious how much time liberals and Democrats spend bitching about Fox News. Once again, they could be using their time to better themselves, but instead they prefer to wander down these endless paths of trying to put someone else down.

Just think if they do get a President and the Congress in 2008! Complaining is such a big part of their existence and Fox News and Rush Limbaugh is all they will have to vent their anger! Misery is such lonely company.....

JaJae · 07-28-2007, 10:59 PM

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

In conclusion: Your "statements" from Dkos are actual statements, but misleading, and the GS stuff is just a stretch

I think it would be hard to sell it to the families of the people who died over there that Soros has a warped view of the world because of his childhood. I also think it would be a hard sell to the general American public. Some things are extreme. It would be akin to a Holocaust survivor saying "Screw them" to an innocent German who was mutilated. Sure his past sucked, but the warped views are still extreme and makes you a target if you have people sponsoring your political organizations. The same can be said for a lot of the racist black "leaders" of America. Their childhood or past doesn't always give them a break on their currently warped views.

And I really don't think the George Soros stretch is really all much of a stretch. It's not really a conspiracy theory, more of an observation. If you look at the list of organizations donating to YearlyKos you'll find many of them are very well funded or owned by George Soros: JetBlue, Moveon, MediaMatters, Center for American Progress, etc. I don't find it to be much of a coincidence that Soros funds the majority of the top donors to YearlyKos, nor do I find it much of a coincidence that after O'Rielly attacked a Soros company, the Soros affiliated groups are retaliating by trying to silence Fox.

Thorgrim · 07-28-2007, 11:03 PM

Originally Posted by JaJae

I think it would be hard to sell it to the families of the people who died over there that Soros has a warped view of the world because of his childhood. I also think it would be a hard sell to the general American public. Some things are extreme. It would be akin to a Holocaust survivor saying "Screw them" to an innocent German who was mutilated. Sure his past sucked, but the warped views are still extreme and makes you a target if you have people sponsoring your political organizations. The same can be said for a lot of the racist black "leaders" of America. Their childhood or past doesn't always give them a break on their currently warped views.

And I really don't think the George Soros stretch is really all much of a stretch. It's not really a conspiracy theory, more of an observation. If you look at the list of organizations donating to