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hsmith · 07-31-2007, 01:41 PM

lol @ thinking democrats are any less corrupt

Thorgrim · 07-31-2007, 02:51 PM

Originally Posted by hsmith

lol @ thinking democrats are any less corrupt

you think everyone is corrupt

JaJae · 07-31-2007, 03:00 PM

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

you think everyone is corrupt

He thinks both sides are corrupt. And he's right.

6SpeedTA95 · 07-31-2007, 03:01 PM

It will be interesting to see what they find...

As for this being DOOM for republicans I dont know about that. Louisiana ring a bell for anyone?

I also find it ironic that when the house is trying to gut the disclosure bill that this happens. Yet democrats are trying to remove what little oversight they congress/senate already has?

Thorgrim · 07-31-2007, 03:31 PM

Originally Posted by JaJae

He thinks both sides are corrupt. And he's right.

Yes, all 535 members of congress, the WH, the SCOTUS...every branch of the American government is corrupt, all the state legislatures, all the local mayors...all corrupt...that's exactly what anti-Americans, whether it be Hugo Chavez or Islamic terrorists, want you to believe

Thorgrim · 07-31-2007, 03:36 PM

Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95

It will be interesting to see what they find...

As for this being DOOM for republicans I dont know about that. Louisiana ring a bell for anyone?

I also find it ironic that when the house is trying to gut the disclosure bill that this happens. Yet democrats are trying to remove what little oversight they congress/senate already has?

The thing is, the GOP nationally got and maintained control through the view that they were above Democratic "corruption" that had supposedly taken control after almost 60 years in power

Democrats in LA never have run as the party better than everyone else in regards to some right-wing list of what ethics should be...LA elected someone as governor they believed was a crook because they thought he'd do the best job, the Democrats did not try and portrary him as super-clean

It's the same thing with Kennedy in Rhode Island...everyone knows he was(maybe still is) a drug addict and a DUIer, but they overwhelmingly re-elected him because the democrats there simply don't care...if that had been Utah, wow he would have been tossed out like yesterdays garbage

THATS why it's more damaging to the GOP and it's more "possible doom", if you set yourself up as the party of Jesus, you better be prepared to play the part

Stylerod · 07-31-2007, 03:58 PM

Has he been charged with anything?

SoFlaJDM · 07-31-2007, 04:03 PM

Originally Posted by Stylerod

Has he been charged with anything?

no, but it's the IRS... i'm sure they already have a case...not good news

Stylerod · 07-31-2007, 04:04 PM

Originally Posted by SoFlaJDM

no, but it's the IRS... not good news

Oh fuck! They will find SOMETHING! It's what they do!!!

JaJae · 07-31-2007, 05:20 PM

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

Yes, all 535 members of congress, the WH, the SCOTUS...every branch of the American government is corrupt, all the state legislatures, all the local mayors...all corrupt...that's exactly what anti-Americans, whether it be Hugo Chavez or Islamic terrorists, want you to believe

This argument is fallacious. Nobody said "everyone" other than you... repeatedly. As a whole though, there is corruption in both parties. Hsmith is able to recognize that and speak of it within both parties.

I doubt the response would be the same if he was stating Republicans were also corrupt in a Democratic thread...

JaJae · 07-31-2007, 05:21 PM

Originally Posted by Stylerod

Oh fuck! They will find SOMETHING! It's what they do!!!

The IRS is after a family member right now for a tax burden of her ex-husband even though she has a divorce decree and court order that he signed stating he would incur full responsibility for that particular debt. They're friggin lethal.

hsmith · 07-31-2007, 05:49 PM

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

you think everyone is corrupt

A handful are not. The large majority are. Most are in the pockets of special interests. They are in the business of selling favors.

Sorry, that breeds corruption. Bigger gov't = more corruption, it is simple.

hsmith · 07-31-2007, 05:50 PM

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

Yes, all 535 members of congress, the WH, the SCOTUS...every branch of the American government is corrupt, all the state legislatures, all the local mayors...all corrupt...that's exactly what anti-Americans, whether it be Hugo Chavez or Islamic terrorists, want you to believe

Very few aren't corrupt. Those with the most power in congress are the most corrupt because they hold the most power. It will always happen in large gov't when they can sell favors and legislation

Thorgrim · 07-31-2007, 05:51 PM

Originally Posted by JaJae

This argument is fallacious. Nobody said "everyone" other than you... repeatedly. As a whole though, there is corruption in both parties. Hsmith is able to recognize that and speak of it within both parties.

I doubt the response would be the same if he was stating Republicans were also corrupt in a Democratic thread...

He says "very few are not" which is about as close to "everyone" as you can get without actually saying the word or an absolute synonym

hsmith · 07-31-2007, 05:55 PM

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

He says "very few are not" which is about as close to "everyone" as you can get without actually saying the word or an absolute synonym

And? I stand by it.

Big gov't = big corruption across the board

Joe_Cool · 07-31-2007, 07:55 PM

Originally Posted by SoFlaJDM

this is terrible news for a republican

Fixed. "The republicans" aren't being searched. One guy is.

SoFlaJDM · 07-31-2007, 08:02 PM

Originally Posted by Joe_Cool

Fixed. "The republicans" aren't being searched. One guy is.

looks like a lot more than 1 republican is being investigated... here's a list of all of those corrupt liberal democrats as well

Lawmakers Being Investigated

Jul 31 03:28 PM US/Eastern
By The Associated Press Members of Congress recently under scrutiny by federal authorities: ___
Senate Republicans:
_Ted Stevens of Alaska, sixth term. Stevens is under a federal investigation for his relationship with Bill Allen, an oil field services contractor who was convicted this year of bribing state lawmakers. Agents from the FBI and Internal Revenue Service searched the senator's Alaska home on Monday.
___
House Republicans:
_Don Young of Alaska, 18th term. Young is under federal investigation as part of an ongoing corruption probe, according to a federal law enforcement official. Part of the Young investigation involves his campaign finance practices.
_John Doolittle of California, ninth term. The FBI in April searched his home in Oakton, Va., where his wife Julie ran a bookkeeping and event-planning business. Among her clients was now-jailed GOP lobbyist Jack Abramoff.
_Jerry Lewis of California, 15th term. Prosecutors are examining his dealings with lobbyists and contractors during the time he chaired the House Appropriations Committee.
_Gary Miller of California, fifth term. FBI agents have interviewed officials in two towns that purchased property from Miller about the nature of the transactions and the tax implications. Miller denies any wrongdoing and says FBI agents have not contacted him.
_Rick Renzi of Arizona, third term. FBI agents recently raided his wife's insurance business amid reports that Renzi paid substantial back taxes to settle charges that his businesses improperly paid for his first congressional campaign.
___
House Democrats:
_William J. Jefferson of Louisiana, ninth term. Awaiting trial in January on federal charges of taking more than $500,000 in bribes by using his office to broker business deals in Africa. He pleaded innocent in June to the 16-count indictment. FBI agents raided his congressional office and his home, where they found $90,000 in a freezer.
_Alan Mollohan of West Virginia, 13th term. Mollohan stepped down from the House ethics committee after federal agents began a probe of federal funds he helped steer to nonprofit groups he founded.

SoFlaJDM · 07-31-2007, 08:09 PM

pelosi has since stripped jefferson of any committee membership... interesting to see what the moral minority

is gonna do

Joe_Cool · 07-31-2007, 08:12 PM

Originally Posted by SoFlaJDM

looks like a lot more than 1 republican is being investigated... here's a list of all of those corrupt liberal democrats as well

Lawmakers Being Investigated Jul 31 03:28 PM US/Eastern
By The Associated Press Members of Congress recently under scrutiny by federal authorities: ___
Senate Republicans:
_Ted Stevens of Alaska, sixth term. Stevens is under a federal investigation for his relationship with Bill Allen, an oil field services contractor who was convicted this year of bribing state lawmakers. Agents from the FBI and Internal Revenue Service searched the senator's Alaska home on Monday.
___
House Republicans:
_Don Young of Alaska, 18th term. Young is under federal investigation as part of an ongoing corruption probe, according to a federal law enforcement official. Part of the Young investigation involves his campaign finance practices.
_John Doolittle of California, ninth term. The FBI in April searched his home in Oakton, Va., where his wife Julie ran a bookkeeping and event-planning business. Among her clients was now-jailed GOP lobbyist Jack Abramoff.
_Jerry Lewis of California, 15th term. Prosecutors are examining his dealings with lobbyists and contractors during the time he chaired the House Appropriations Committee.
_Gary Miller of California, fifth term. FBI agents have interviewed officials in two towns that purchased property from Miller about the nature of the transactions and the tax implications. Miller denies any wrongdoing and says FBI agents have not contacted him.
_Rick Renzi of Arizona, third term. FBI agents recently raided his wife's insurance business amid reports that Renzi paid substantial back taxes to settle charges that his businesses improperly paid for his first congressional campaign.
___
House Democrats:
_William J. Jefferson of Louisiana, ninth term. Awaiting trial in January on federal charges of taking more than $500,000 in bribes by using his office to broker business deals in Africa. He pleaded innocent in June to the 16-count indictment. FBI agents raided his congressional office and his home, where they found $90,000 in a freezer.
_Alan Mollohan of West Virginia, 13th term. Mollohan stepped down from the House ethics committee after federal agents began a probe of federal funds he helped steer to nonprofit groups he founded.

So then it's bad news for 6 republicans and 2 democrats. How does that spell "THE REPUBLICANS"? By my count, there are 48 republicans in the senate and 197 in the house who are NOT being investigated.