Dem-leaning votes: keep track of your changes in presidential preference here

Thorgrim · 08-02-2007, 04:35 PM

When the Primary started, I was an Al Gore fan, then when I realized he wasn't going to run, Wes Clark...then he wouldn't run

So my first real candidate I warmed up to was Richardson...however he's trying to win over votes by going a little too storng on the whole "anti-tax" thing...so he fell out of favor

John Edwards had my vote simply based on the numbers and how uncontroversial of a candidate he would be...think...are conservatives really going to riled up about John Edwards? A lot more will stay home...and as always my primary interest is in Congressional races

After seeing Edwards fumble, and re-realizing the importance of SC justices and how bad of a president any of the GOPers would be, I had to go to a candidate more likely to win...Obama

Obama and Hillary both impressed me, but Obama more overall

Chris Dodd was always solid, but he actually managed to do what no other candidate could... Grasp his mind around the concept of 500,000 viewers a day, and that a few jokers are just that: jokers

That's a great sign to me that he's a candidate that can deal with the high-tech world of today...Hillary's spokesman was good, but he used 1992 tactics, and Obama stayed silent for some unknown reason even though he has every reason to hate fox for the madrassa libel

So right now:

Dodd
Obama
Clinton
Richardson
Edwards
Biden
...
those other 2 guys who somehow get on stage

Come, join the fray, list your prefences, maybe even why, and keep making new posts with your change in prefences and why, this can be quite an active thread, and come Nov 2008, you can go "wow, i can't believe all the changes I made!"

It's a great way to learn something about yourself and other posters here, the GOPers should start up a thread just like this, but primarily I hope this takes off

DosEquis · 08-02-2007, 08:18 PM

Biden
Obama
Clinton
Dodd

I can't see myself supporting any of the others. If any of the 4 pick Clark to be their VP, they get my vote.

Biden shares a lot of common views that other democrats have, only he is the only one with (for a long time now) a valid plan for Iraq that has a chance for us to save face while being able to withdraw. I also like him because he tells it like it is. He admits mistakes, admits when he changes his mind and tells you why, and just seems the most genuine of the standard politicians. He isn't rich and never has been because he has been a senator for his entire life. He has the most foreign policy experience, and of those to choose from the most experience of everyone..aside from dodd.. that i consider a good candidate. At this point in our history in our current situation, i think he is our best option.

Scrum · 08-02-2007, 08:52 PM

Biden
Obama
Edwards
and uhhhhhh.....

Those are the only two I can see myself voting for out of the ones who are running. If Gore or Clark were to run I would have to reevaluate my choices.

If RP wins the Republican primary, I would most likely vote for him over everyone but Clark (not that it will do much good. Illinois is going to go to Obama).

Thorgrim · 08-09-2007, 07:15 AM

Well not the turnout, but I've made some changes:

Dodd
Obama
Clinton
Richardson
Edwards
Biden

to

Obama
Dodd
Clinton
Richardson
Edwards
Biden

Biden continues to stay at the bottom because of his support of the invasion of Iraq AND relying on foreign policy experience as his trump card...Dodd loses a spot after his latest debate with Obama and unable to really back up his decision to attack Obama while he voted for the invasion

Half the candidates voted for the war which I think will be a huge problem if they were elected and had to deal with the aftermath...much better to be "Bush's mess" than "their mess"

So of the 3 left, I think everyone picks Obama over Edwards, and to me Richardson simply lurches right too often trying to win over GOP votes and we haven't even gotten to the general election yet

nbiggershaft · 08-09-2007, 10:57 AM

Obama/Biden
Richardson

Biden really impressed me when he talked about Sudan.

JaJae · 08-09-2007, 10:58 AM

The only three Democrats I really like at this point are Obama, Biden and Richardson. I like the three of them fairly equally at this point.

Hillary I dislike just about everything about her.
Edwards' disgraceful history as a trial lawyer and the many accounts of him being "fake" turned me off.
I don't like a lot of key issues from Dodd, such as wanting to cover illegals under universal healthcare and other anti-business, pro-tax stuff. He's too liberal for my liking.

I like Obama, Biden and Richardson the best. Obama is charismatic and I think he has the ability to change the face of America in the world and help undo the damage Bush did. Biden I used to not like, a few soundbytes here and there of him being a prick turned me off to him. But after watching him more closely in this campaign I'm really starting to like him. And I like Richardson on many issues. My biggest problem with him is that he's simply boring and seems weak. I don't think he'll be a strong candidate so I find it hard to back him up when there are other options on the table.

As of right now if I had to pick one candidate I'd probably lean towards Obama, Biden or Paul. As of right now I'm unimpressed with the GOP options.

nbiggershaft · 08-09-2007, 11:07 AM

It continues to baffle me that Clinton has so much support, I figured she'd have fallen out. I've yet to meet a single person who really supports her over other candidates, but her numbers so high.

motivez · 08-09-2007, 11:13 AM

Originally Posted by nbiggershaft

It continues to baffle me that Clinton has so much support, I figured she'd have fallen out. I've yet to meet a single person who really supports her over other candidates, but her numbers so high.

Her campaign is a freaking machine, it's a huge advantage going into the general..

JaJae · 08-09-2007, 11:15 AM

Originally Posted by nbiggershaft

It continues to baffle me that Clinton has so much support, I figured she'd have fallen out. I've yet to meet a single person who really supports her over other candidates, but her numbers so high.

I think she's getting the "I think she'll win so I'll support her to get the GOP out of office" vote.

Thorgrim · 08-09-2007, 12:40 PM

Originally Posted by motivez

Her campaign is a freaking machine, it's a huge advantage going into the general..

not only that, it's basically flawless, any "mistake" ive seen is one where most people would consider it a "mistake" if she did anything different

The GOP has spent 15 years driving up her negatives, and polls have her even ahead of Rudy in national polls...mr hero of 9/11

that has to give you confidence in what she'll do in the general...I mean what are they going to say?

"Vince Foster!!! Whitewater!!! Hillarycare!!!"

Yeah...we all heard that over a decade ago...your 2000 Gore voter doesn't care, at all...add a few hundred votes, and she wins...I think she can do that

Thorgrim · 08-09-2007, 12:47 PM

Originally Posted by JaJae

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Are you a dem-leaning voter? You've leaned Democrat and voted for them in the past few elections?

I just thought you voted against Menendez, who did better in NJ than Kerry did in 2004?

From what you've stated in the past you tend to favor the GOP in many of the federal and gubernatorial races despite NJ's strong democratic bend

JaJae · 08-09-2007, 01:14 PM

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

Are you a dem-leaning voter? You've leaned Democrat and voted for them in the past few elections?

I just thought you voted against Menendez, who did better in NJ than Kerry did in 2004?

From what you've stated in the past you tend to favor the GOP in many of the federal and gubernatorial races despite NJ's strong democratic bend

I try to vote against corruption in NJ as my official state policy regardless of what party that leads me to vote for. Corruption in NJ is my biggest issue above just about anything else on the state level. It's the corruption that increases the cost of living in this state and creates essentially all the problems we have and the problems that are growing. However, for mayor and congressional local elections I have never not voted for a Democrat. Our current Democratic mayor Jun Choi I wouldn't vote for again, but he isn't running again. He disgraced himself too badly to get re-elected locally. He's going to make a run for a state office to stay in politics. I won't be voting for him if he attempts to obtain an elected position.

I liked Rudy at the start of the campaigns. Then he started talking...

As of right now my vote would likely go Democrat unless Hillary or Edwards gets the nod. Then it would be dependent on who I disliked more, the GOP candidate or the Democrat.

Thorgrim · 08-09-2007, 01:19 PM

I just don't want this thread to become "anyone who ever possibly considered voting for a Democrat" thread

Corruption on itself is outside the scope of this thread, unless you are applying it as "I'd vote for Barak OVER John because of corruption"

I mean, do I have to remake this thread or something? I just want Democrats, and indepedents who vote democrat, to have a place so we can all sort out through the primary season which democrat we're going to vote for...even mentioning Ron Paul's name is ridiculous because obviously he's not on the Democratic Primary list!

I've changed my opinion several times and I believe many others will do...it's enough for one thread to be talking about Democrats, you start throwing in other parties and this thread will be useless

JaJae · 08-09-2007, 01:21 PM

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

I just don't want this thread to become "anyone who ever possibly considered voting for a Democrat" thread

Corruption on itself is outside the scope of this thread, unless you are applying it as "I'd vote for Barak OVER John because of corruption"

I mean, do I have to remake this thread or something? I just want Democrats, and indepedents who vote democrat, to have a place so we can all sort out through the primary season which democrat we're going to vote for...even mentioning Ron Paul's name is ridiculous because obviously he's not on the Democratic Primary list!

I've changed my opinion several times and I believe many others will do...it's enough for one thread to be talking about Democrats, you start throwing in other parties and this thread will be useless

Four out of every 5 levers I pull go down D. I think that's good enough

I'll stop posting in your thread though...

I wasn't the first person to mention Paul. And I don't think there are many people who are going to 100% vote Democrat no matter what. Those people are few and far between. Most people are going to weight their options.

DosEquis · 08-09-2007, 02:07 PM

Originally Posted by JaJae

Biden I used to not like, a few soundbytes here and there of him being a prick turned me off to him. But after watching him more closely in this campaign I'm really starting to like him.

They put his half ass answer to the mining safety question, where did actually answer it but it was in about 15 seconds switched back to Iraq because he didn't get a fair shot at answering that question. He was boo'd by the crowd and you can hear them yell "you didn't answer the question".

Crooks and Liars put the video up with a title "Biden's Makaka moment?" and 115 comments on the video paint him as an asshole who blew off the lady who lost her husband. His problem, and it is probably what will keep him from gaining ground, is that he just comes across as a dick head to a lot of people. If they would just actually listen to him I think they would give him a fair shake.

He clarified very well on Olberman's show last night what he was trying to do. The only thing i can hope for is the 915,000 who watched the AFL CIO debate also watched Olberman last night.

garbagemanlb · 08-09-2007, 04:50 PM

Obama
Richardson
Kucinich
Biden

Thorgrim · 08-09-2007, 05:09 PM

Originally Posted by DosEquis

They put his half ass answer to the mining safety question, where did actually answer it but it was in about 15 seconds switched back to Iraq because he didn't get a fair shot at answering that question. He was boo'd by the crowd and you can hear them yell "you didn't answer the question".

Crooks and Liars put the video up with a title "Biden's Makaka moment?" and 115 comments on the video paint him as an asshole who blew off the lady who lost her husband. His problem, and it is probably what will keep him from gaining ground, is that he just comes across as a dick head to a lot of people. If they would just actually listen to him I think they would give him a fair shake.

He clarified very well on Olberman's show last night what he was trying to do. The only thing i can hope for is the 915,000 who watched the AFL CIO debate also watched Olberman last night.

How do you get over the fac that in 2002 I never about any plans to run for president...he wasn't new the senate...and his seat was clear as could be regardless of how he voted...yet he still voted FOR THE WAR and didn't err on the side of caution, or really research the CIA reports or their shortcomings, etc etc

Rouger2 · 08-09-2007, 05:54 PM

Biden is the only name on my list. He has a tendency to shoot himself in the foot, but seems to get hammered to much for it, and I cannot understand why. Give Edwards and Obama another twenty or so years and they would maybe be ready.

DosEquis · 08-09-2007, 07:38 PM

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

How do you get over the fac that in 2002 I never about any plans to run for president...he wasn't new the senate...and his seat was clear as could be regardless of how he voted...yet he still voted FOR THE WAR and didn't err on the side of caution, or really research the CIA reports or their shortcomings, etc etc

There are two reasons I do not have a problem with someone who voted for the war in 2002.

First, they were presented with information given to them by the bush administration. They all got cherry picked shitty information. I can't hold them entirely responsible for that.

Secondly, based on that shitty information that was all over the news, colin powells presentation that was on the news, and other things around that time period that were happening, I would have also voted for the war at that time.

As it turns out we were misled (arguably lied to) to get there. I can't hold it against him, hillary, or otherwise because it would make me a hypocrit.