Do you buy into this "new age" medicine?

[Publius]

Originally Posted by Ardentfrost

It cost you less than seeing a PT? That is strange. I know a few PT's and they are far less expensive than Chiros because generally Chiros want you in there all the time, whereas PT's put you on a rehabilitation schedule.

I guess if you just used the Chiro as a PT and never went back, it would be less expensive

Most GOOD Chiros will suggest you get snap, crackle, popped occasionally but don't flat out tell you that you MUST. It makes sense though, modern society is so rough on the human body's skeletal structure (sitting positions at computers and stuff like that) that popping it every once in a while can be pretty helpful.

You're in IT, so you can relate I'm sure. Haven't you ever been hunched over repairing a computer server or whatever and when you sit up you stretch and pop the joints in your spine, and feel much more loose and relaxed? Imagine that but an even deeper pop, and that's what a Chiro can do. It feels wonderful and quite refreshing.

You go to a regular doc at least once or twice a year for a checkup, a good Chiro will suggest the same type of thing, except maybe 3 or 4 times a year to work out any kinks in the spine and other joints.

[lew]

Originally Posted by Ardentfrost

If a doctor ever suggested I go to a chiropractor, I'd stop seeing him. If he wants me to get physical therapy for my back, then I want to go to a physical therapist, not a "doctor" with no medical training.

I've been to a chiropractor and they work wonders.

[lew]

Originally Posted by Ardentfrost

You're saying physical therapists are using chirpractic practice, but it's the chiropractors that started using physical therapy to make them more legitimate.

Chiropractic has been around for a long time, and is based around your joints controlling all bad things that go on in your body. So, anything that goes wrong with you can be fixed by straightening out some joints. The back was a focus for later, specifically after they started more physical therapy stuff.

I've never heard any chiropractor saying that all bad things are caused by joints.

[Publius]

Originally Posted by lew

I've been to a chiropractor and they work wonders.

When I pinched the nerve going down into my leg the doc I was going to had me x-rayed, then when she saw where the pinch was told me a month or two of PT would probably be the only solution. Given how much pain I was in, I decided to examine my options and went to a chiro just because I figured it was worth a try. This was back in March, and after 3 sessions with the chiro I haven't had any more problems.

[lew]

Originally Posted by Ardentfrost

It cost you less than seeing a PT? That is strange. I know a few PT's and they are far less expensive than Chiros because generally Chiros want you in there all the time, whereas PT's put you on a rehabilitation schedule.

I guess if you just used the Chiro as a PT and never went back, it would be less expensive

All the chiros where I live charge considerably less than PT.

[Publius]

Originally Posted by lew

I've never heard any chiropractor saying that all bad things are caused by joints.

The guy I went to didn't even get into the toxin issue or anything. But toxins building up in the joints and lymph system IS a common problem, so I bet there may be some benefit to it, even if that benefit is overstated by the seedier chiros.

[Ardentfrost]

Originally Posted by Publius

Most GOOD Chiros will suggest you get snap, crackle, popped occasionally but don't flat out tell you that you MUST. It makes sense though, modern society is so rough on the human body's skeletal structure (sitting positions at computers and stuff like that) that popping it every once in a while can be pretty helpful.

You're in IT, so you can relate I'm sure. Haven't you ever been hunched over repairing a computer server or whatever and when you sit up you stretch and pop the joints in your spine, and feel much more loose and relaxed? Imagine that but an even deeper pop, and that's what a Chiro can do. It feels wonderful and quite refreshing.

You go to a regular doc at least once or twice a year for a checkup, a good Chiro will suggest the same type of thing, except maybe 3 or 4 times a year to work out any kinks in the spine and other joints.

I'm not saying the things they do are BAD for you, I'm just saying that there has been mixed findings scientifically, and that everything that has been shown to be good that they do, PT's already do. So their work isn't based around science.

If it ever came out that them cracking bones and shit is bad for you (which my rhumatologist told me a few years ago), then what? I think that's why there's been very limited studies, because they're afraid of the results.

[lew]

I'm just the type of go that usually tries "alternative" treatments before going to the medical establishment.


I've got nothing against either. If I had cancer, I would exhaust every "alternative" treatment before chemo, that's for sure.

[infinite loop]

Originally Posted by Ardentfrost

It cost you less than seeing a PT? That is strange. I know a few PT's and they are far less expensive than Chiros because generally Chiros want you in there all the time, whereas PT's put you on a rehabilitation schedule.

I guess if you just used the Chiro as a PT and never went back, it would be less expensive

pt was significantly more expensive than the chiro for me. chiro visit is what, $50? pt was at least double that

[Publius]

Originally Posted by Ardentfrost

I'm not saying the things they do are BAD for you, I'm just saying that there has been mixed findings scientifically, and that everything that has been shown to be good that they do, PT's already do. So their work isn't based around science.

If it ever came out that them cracking bones and shit is bad for you (which my rhumatologist told me a few years ago), then what? I think that's why there's been very limited studies, because they're afraid of the results.

They aren't cracking bones though, they're realigning them in their joints. Yea, I'm sure if you went once or twice a week for 30 years that might cause wear and tear on the joints that could result in rheumatoid problems, but getting it done 3 or 4 times a year is probably helpful in avoiding those problems because it helps make sure the bones are sitting correctly in the joints.

[Publius]

Originally Posted by lew

I've got nothing against either. If I had cancer, I would exhaust every "alternative" treatment before chemo, that's for sure.

God forbid you're ever in that situation, but if you are try Flor-Essence, it's an herbal formula (essiac) created by a nurse in Canada back in the early to mid 20th century (based on a remedy developed by Native Americans centuries earlier), it's supposed to have done wonders for cancer patients that were told by their doctors that nothing could be done.

[Ardentfrost]

Originally Posted by lew

All the chiros where I live charge considerably less than PT.

If you go once, sure. PT's want to fix you and you not come back. Chiros want you to come back all the time. You go to a PT for 2 weeks and get the same result as going to a Chiro (who does PT on you) and convinces you to come back for the rest of your life, which is more $

[lew]

Originally Posted by Publius

God forbid you're ever in that situation, but if you are try Flor-Essence, it's an herbal formula (essiac) created by a nurse in Canada back in the early to mid 20th century (based on a remedy developed by Native Americans centuries earlier), it's supposed to have done wonders for cancer patients that were told by their doctors that nothing could be done.

If it's not approved by the government controlled FDA, it's not based on science and is a scam.

[Publius]

Originally Posted by Ardentfrost

If you go once, sure. PT's want to fix you and you not come back. Chiros want you to come back all the time. You go to a PT for 2 weeks and get the same result as going to a Chiro (who does PT on you) and convinces you to come back for the rest of your life, which is more $

But your complaint could be levelled against the family physician as well. They tell you to come in for checkups once or twice a year, whereas it would be significantly cheaper in the short-term to only go when you're sick.

[lew]

Originally Posted by Ardentfrost

If you go once, sure. PT's want to fix you and you not come back. Chiros want you to come back all the time. You go to a PT for 2 weeks and get the same result as going to a Chiro (who does PT on you) and convinces you to come back for the rest of your life, which is more $

I had an injury and went to a chiro for a couple months and then was done. Felt great.

My wife was having pain and went to a PT for a couple months. The PT cost quite a bit more. And in my opinion, did weirder shit than the chiro did.

[lew]

I'm surprised Ardent is backing up "regular" science.



"Regular" science is NOT based on science, but rather government interests.

[7960]

Originally Posted by Ardentfrost

You're saying physical therapists are using chirpractic practice, but it's the chiropractors that started using physical therapy to make them more legitimate.

No, I'm saying the news article said more and more PTs are also offering chiropractic because it can be a legitimate treatment.

[7960]

Originally Posted by IminWonderland

I use pot to cure alot of things...

PMS...Mood Swings...Deppression...Anxiety....Insomnia....

Is that new age?

Gee, why am I not surprised that you would be defending a kid who hung a "bong hits 4 jesus" banner?

[Ardentfrost]

Originally Posted by lew

I'm surprised Ardent is backing up "regular" science.



"Regular" science is NOT based on science, but rather government interests.

I support "regular" science being more scientific.

[IminWonderland]

Originally Posted by 7960