More Problems in the House

JaJae · 08-03-2007, 10:06 AM

There was a bill voted on last night for agricultural legislations. The Republicans motioned to recommit the bill to committee on the basis that they wanted to remove benefits to illegal aliens.

The people who wanted to vote had voted and the presiding chair, Hoyer, gaveled the vote closed... thus ending the vote. The Democrats didn't realize they had lost. They started shouting to CHANGE the outcome of the vote. The Republicans started shouting for an adjournment and were told THEY were out of order. They waited around for 5 minutes while Hoyer decided how to screw them and many walked out in protest.

At this point they decided to REOPEN! the vote so the Democrats who hadn't voted could get their votes in and essentially win the vote.

This is just ridiculous. It's such a kangaroo court right now. I hope you all enjoy paying taxes towards illegal alien healthcare because the Democrats are cheating the system to ensure it stays in their bill.
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Donkey® · 08-03-2007, 10:39 AM

Originally Posted by JaJae

There was a bill voted on last night for agricultural legislations. The Republicans motioned to recommit the bill to committee on the basis that they wanted to remove benefits to illegal aliens.

The people who wanted to vote had voted and the presiding chair, Hoyer, gaveled the vote closed... thus ending the vote. The Democrats didn't realize they had lost. They started shouting to CHANGE the outcome of the vote. The Republicans started shouting for an adjournment and were told THEY were out of order. They waited around for 5 minutes while Hoyer decided how to screw them and many walked out in protest.

At this point they decided to REOPEN! the vote so the Democrats who hadn't voted could get their votes in and essentially win the vote.

This is just ridiculous. It's such a kangaroo court right now. I hope you all enjoy paying taxes towards illegal alien healthcare because the Democrats are cheating the system to ensure it stays in their bill.
EricCantor.com :: Blog
YouTube - An Outrage on the House Floor

Last time I checked, there were Republicans in the House as well.

Publius · 08-03-2007, 10:39 AM

Originally Posted by Donkey®

Last time I checked, there were Republicans in the House as well.

What does this post have to do with the thread topic?

JaJae · 08-03-2007, 10:40 AM

Originally Posted by Donkey®

Last time I checked, there were Republicans in the House as well.

I don't understand your post. If you have something constructive to add to the content of the thread please feel free to share. If the content of the thread isn't to your liking feel free to make your own or post in another thread.

Donkey® · 08-03-2007, 10:43 AM

Originally Posted by JaJae

I don't understand your post. If you have something constructive to add to the content of the thread please feel free to share.

What? Another "fuck the democrats" thread? Hmmmm...let's see...

They are all politicians. What are you expecting? Have you not been observant for the past 100 years? This is the shit that happens. Republicans skirt rules and make shit up as well.

Publius · 08-03-2007, 10:45 AM

Originally Posted by Donkey®

What? Another "fuck the democrats" thread? Hmmmm...let's see...

They are all politicians. What are you expecting? Have you not been observant for the past 100 years? This is the shit that happens. Republicans skirt rules and make shit up as well.

And he usually calls them out on it too, based on what I've seen of his posts over the last couple of years between here and

. And two wrongs does not make a right. You're just as bad as the Republican apologists.

DosEquis · 08-03-2007, 10:52 AM

If this is intended on attacking democrats and their legislation to provide illegal immigrants health care, so be it. But lets also keep in mind that a good 50% of "conservative" republicans, including the president, would be ok with such measures. I would estimate that 75% of our government is on the wrong track on this issue and is not representing the way a good 75% of our country feels about illegal immigration.

Illegal immigration legislation is a bipartisan problem. A partisan attack on democrats is only half accurate as the other party is just as guilty with their amnesty plans. Hell, Ronald Jesus Reagan himself, the conservative supreme being passed a bill called "amnesty" in 1986 for 3.5 million illegal immigrants.

Donkey® · 08-03-2007, 10:53 AM

Originally Posted by Publius

And he usually calls them out on it too, based on what I've seen of his posts over the last couple of years between here and . And two wrongs does not make a right. You're just as bad as the Republican apologists.

I am not apologizing for the Democrats behavior. They are ALL politicians. This is TYPICAL behavior. I'd disagree that a particular person had called out the Republicans in the same fashion as well.

So, like I said, I am not defending the Democrats...I just don't understand why, since the Democrats gained control, are there nothing but hate threads by certain members? This behavior in Congress is not new. It's not sole domain of Democrats in this particular Congress...and I sure as hell don't see many posts by certain users bashing the Republicans in such a fashion.

JaJae · 08-03-2007, 11:08 AM

Originally Posted by Donkey®

This is TYPICAL behavior.

No this isn't...

garbagemanlb · 08-03-2007, 11:53 AM

So the Democrats just made sure that everyone's vote was counted. I fail to see how this is a problem.

Publius · 08-03-2007, 12:03 PM

Originally Posted by garbagemanlb

So the Democrats just made sure that everyone's vote was counted. I fail to see how this is a problem.

If you don't get to the polls on election day then find out that the guy you wanted to win lost by one vote, you can't round up your best friend and go to the voting station and make them reopen it the next day so you can both cast your vote for the candidate you like.

The voting was closed in accordance with House rules with no complaints because the Democrats didn't realize they didn't have the votes in to carry it. There is really no legitimate reason to reopen voting, it isn't as if the Republicans illegally closed the voting.

JaJae · 08-03-2007, 12:35 PM

Originally Posted by garbagemanlb

So the Democrats just made sure that everyone's vote was counted. I fail to see how this is a problem.

Everyone had a chance to vote. Everyone's vote WAS counted. When it was counted and they realized they lost, they reopened the voting.

I agree everyone who wanted to vote should have gotten a chance to vote. And they did! Many politicians purposely don't vote on certain bills. If you choose not to vote, then that's on you. If you choose not to vote and the bill doesn't pass, you don't get a "redo" and cast in a late vote. There's no do-overs, no take-backs, no crossed fingers, no undo button etc. That would be anarchy.

DosEquis · 08-03-2007, 12:39 PM

You know... we should probably just scrap this whole government. Seriously. Get rid of every single person. Make it a law that every 30 years we flush out the entire government and elect people who have never served in politics. Granted they will need to be qualified people... but screw them all who are there now. Its disgusting.

JaJae · 08-03-2007, 12:41 PM

Originally Posted by DosEquis

You know... we should probably just scrap this whole government. Seriously. Get rid of every single person. Make it a law that every 30 years we flush out the entire government and elect people who have never served in politics. Granted they will need to be qualified people... but screw them all who are there now. Its disgusting.

Here here, you can start with the Bush Administration please. Then just work your way down.

JaJae · 08-03-2007, 12:45 PM

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Donkey® · 08-03-2007, 12:46 PM

Originally Posted by DosEquis

You know... we should probably just scrap this whole government. Seriously. Get rid of every single person. Make it a law that every 30 years we flush out the entire government and elect people who have never served in politics. Granted they will need to be qualified people... but screw them all who are there now. Its disgusting.

It's not the people in the system...it's the system itself.

Rouger2 · 08-03-2007, 01:12 PM

Originally Posted by DosEquis

You know... we should probably just scrap this whole government. Seriously. Get rid of every single person. Make it a law that every 30 years we flush out the entire government and elect people who have never served in politics. Granted they will need to be qualified people... but screw them all who are there now. Its disgusting.

That gave me a good laugh and I needed it. Thanks.

WickedLou9 · 08-03-2007, 02:25 PM

I don't have a problem with allowing everyone to vote. If they somehow denied some representatives the ability to vote then I woudl be mad, but all they did was allow everyone to vote. Good.

Publius · 08-03-2007, 02:27 PM

Originally Posted by WickedLou9

I don't have a problem with allowing everyone to vote. If they somehow denied some representatives the ability to vote then I woudl be mad, but all they did was allow everyone to vote. Good.

So, again, if you and your spouse didn't bother to go vote on election day, then you found out as results came in that evening that your candidate lost by one vote, you think it should be perfectly acceptable for you to go to the polling place the next morning, vote, and have your votes count?

That's essentially what the Democrats did here.

motivez · 08-03-2007, 02:38 PM

He said he prematurely called the vote closed while votes were still being entered, do you have any proof that that this isn't the case?