YouTube Video ERROR: If you can see this, then YouTube is down or you don't have Flash installed. What is this crap? More of doing whatever the hell they want. This is a complete disgrace to our Democracy. I don't understand how this circus continues to go on with very ...
08-06-2007, 06:18 PM
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| Braccae tuae aperiuntur.  Reform Party NJ 
| Most ethical Congress ever?
What is this crap? More of doing whatever the hell they want. This is a complete disgrace to our Democracy. I don't understand how this circus continues to go on with very little mention of it in our media. How are these things not front page news everywhere?
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08-06-2007, 06:26 PM
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| Braccae tuae aperiuntur. Reform Party NJ
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08-06-2007, 06:42 PM
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| Banned - Self Imposed  Progressive Philadelphia, PA
| Uh...this is exactly how the Democrats ran the House in their 60 year reign, and how Republicans ran the House in their 12 year reign If either party wanted a different system: THEY WOULD HAVE CHANGED THE RULES Don't act like GOP members in the House for like 3 decades haven't seen this stuff before and it's some big surprise...but neither party wanted it changed...to the victor goes the spoils Oh yeah, here are some great dirty tricks the GOP is playing:
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08-06-2007, 07:26 PM
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| Banned  Conservative Government is another way to say Better Than You
| Originally Posted by JaJae So basically he's lying about how many counts he got?
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08-06-2007, 07:27 PM
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| Banned Conservative Government is another way to say Better Than You
| Originally Posted by JaJae So they're claiming the voting machine is working despite being able to prove it? That fucker. | ||||
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08-06-2007, 07:28 PM
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| Banned Conservative Government is another way to say Better Than You
| Originally Posted by Thorgrim That I'll take your word for...
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08-06-2007, 07:38 PM
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| Political Genius  Republican Yorba Linda Ca.
| Originally Posted by JaJae
They count on it. They count on them to spread their message. I will never forget that clip I saw on PBS back in the 90's where the Democrats are sitting around a strategy table and they are saying things like "Did the media get out our message today?" Like it was their job to do so. Why do you think Michael Moore got so angry with CNN when Fox was saying much worse about his new movie? Because that was considered left-wing betrayal! 
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08-06-2007, 07:44 PM
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| Political Genius Republican Yorba Linda Ca.
| Originally Posted by ballz2wallz
Some people admire dishonest politics and approve as long as it is done quietly by their own party. Elites think fooling the American people is fun sport and sometimes for their own good. Guess who pays for these antics? | ||||
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08-06-2007, 07:54 PM
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| Yeah, that guy.  Progressive Oregon
| Originally Posted by ballz2wallz
 That last congress was so upstanding! Who controlled it....I wonder?  | ||||
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08-06-2007, 08:06 PM
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| ipsa Scientia Potestas est  Pragmatist North Carolina
| Originally Posted by JaJae Can you explain what exactly happened here and what he did was wrong for those of us who are unfamiliar with the rules of the House?
And also while the video is obviously cut to make him look bad and like he did something wrong, can you provide us with the actual tally of people and so forth who were there? The people closest to the C-SPAN camera's being more noisy than everyone else doesn't actually mean there were more of them, etc.. I'd like some actual facts before passing judgment. | ||||
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08-06-2007, 08:12 PM
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| ipsa Scientia Potestas est Pragmatist North Carolina
| Originally Posted by JaJae He said the vote machine was in fact working and the Clerk was able to tell people how they voted, do you have any evidence that this wasn't the case aside from a carefully edited youtube clip that appears to be have been taken at face value by many in this thread? | ||||
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08-06-2007, 08:33 PM
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| Originally Posted by motivez The first clip is pretty obvious
Murtha, acting speaker, had the Democrats tell him in advance they were for the vote, the whip informed him they had the majority votes and 217 dems were for it, etc When several motions were going through, that one came up, and Murtha knew they had the votes, but Democratic members were in the hallways/their office/out of range to be heard by cspan cameras, so it was of his opinion that the ayes had it, because he knew the GOP was just yelling louder and at the time had more members right infront of CSPAN that was it...nothing dirty, just rules to make congress pass faster...this was not legislation or anything...and besides like i said its nothing dirty its the rules | ||||
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08-06-2007, 09:06 PM
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| Originally Posted by garbagemanlb Did 'that last Congress' make decisions we don't necessarily like? Sure.
Did they act like complete idiots while doing it? Well that's for you to prove! | ||||
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08-06-2007, 09:20 PM
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| The bill was introduced in the House of Representatives early on June 25 as H.R. 1, sponsored by Speaker Dennis Hastert. All that day and the next the bill was debated, and it was apparent that the bill would be very divisive. In the early morning of June 27, a floor vote was taken. After the initial electronic vote, the count stood at 214 yeas, 218 nays. Three Republican representatives then changed their votes. One opponent of the bill, Ernest J. Istook, Jr. (R-OK-5), changed his vote to "present" upon being told that C.W. Bill Young (R-FL-10), who was absent due to a death in the family, would have voted "aye" if he had been present. Next, Republicans Butch Otter (ID-1) and Jo Ann Emerson (MO-8) switched their vote to "aye" under pressure from the party leadership. The bill passed by one vote, 216-215. On June 26, the Senate passed its version of the bill, 76-21. The bills were unified in conference, and on November 21, the bill came back to the House for approval. Former U.S. House Majority Leader Dick Armey, an influential Republican working as Chairman of the limited government group FreedomWorks, wrote an op-ed the day of the vote in the Wall Street Journal opposing the bill.[8] The bill came to a vote at 3 a.m. on November 22. After 45 minutes, the bill was losing, 219-215, with David Wu (D-OR-1) not voting. Speaker Dennis Hastert and Majority Leader Tom DeLay sought to convince some of dissenting Republicans to switch their votes, as they had in June. Istook, who had always been a wavering vote, consented quickly, producing a 218-216 tally. In a highly unusual move, the House leadership held the vote open for hours as they sought two more votes. Then-Representative Nick Smith (U.S. politician) (R-MI) claimed he was offered campaign funds for his son, who was running to replace him, in return for a change in his vote from "nay" to "yea," but later recanted.[9] About 5:50 a.m., convinced Otter and Trent Franks (AZ-2) to switch their votes. With passage assured, Wu voted yea as well, and Democrats Calvin M. Dooley (CA-20), Jim Marshall (GA-3) and David Scott (GA-13) changed their votes to the affirmative. But Brad Miller (D-NC-13), and then, Republican John Culberson (TX-7), reversed their votes from "yea" to "nay". The bill passed 220-215. The Democrats cried foul, and Bill Thomas, the Republican chairman of the Ways and Means committee, challenged the result in an empty gesture to satisfy the minority. He subsequently voted to table his own challenge; the tally to table was 210 ayes, 193 noes. Medicare Prescription Drug, Improvement, and Modernization Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | ||||
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08-06-2007, 09:41 PM
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| Friend to all.  Socialist Maryland
| Originally Posted by ballz2wallz
I have your proof... 1: Our debt 2: Iraq 3: The Patriot Act 4: Terry Schiavo It would take total idiots to "accomplish" those things. | ||||
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08-06-2007, 09:53 PM
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| Originally Posted by Donkey®
 I can always count on you for comedic relief! | ||||
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08-06-2007, 10:16 PM
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| Originally Posted by Donkey® Terri is alive....
-GOP Sen Majority Leader, DOCTOR Frist | ||||
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08-07-2007, 02:04 AM
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08-07-2007, 07:55 PM
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| Originally Posted by garbagemanlb
Members of Congress with votes on various committees. Always a problem......... | ||||
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