Fox won court battle that it can FALSIFY news

[garbagemanlb]

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

Because you don't want to see it

please post biased documentaries that cnn has played.

[ballz2wallz]

Originally Posted by garbagemanlb

please post biased documentaries that cnn has played.

How wold I know? I don't watch CNN cause I was tired of the overall bias

What do documentaries have to do with news anyway?

[garbagemanlb]

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

How wold I know? I don't watch CNN cause I was tired of the overall bias

What do documentaries have to do with news anyway?

God I love this 'logic'.


You'd be creaming your pants if CNN ever aired something like F 9/11 or other bullshit...yet they don't. Meanwhile, Fox airs right-wing hit pieces and still calls itself fair and balanced....yet they never air liberal documentaries.

You didn't post any examples, because you couldn't find any. I accept your surrender.

[ballz2wallz]

Originally Posted by garbagemanlb

You'd be creaming your pants if CNN ever aired something like F 9/11 or other bullshit...yet they don't. Meanwhile, Fox airs right-wing hit pieces and still calls itself fair and balanced....yet they never air liberal documentaries.

You didn't post any examples, because you couldn't find any. I accept your surrender.

Does that fact that CNN advertises for DailyKos count?

[ballz2wallz]

And what does this tell us?

By a 39% to 20% margin, American adults believe that the three major broadcast networks deliver news with a bias in favor of liberals. A Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey found that just 25% believe that ABC, CBS, and NBC deliver the news without any bias.
Similar results are found for CNN and National Public Radio (NPR). By a margin of 33% to 16%, Americans say that CNN has a liberal bias. The nation’s adults say the same about NPR by a 27% to 14% margin.
There is one major exception to the belief that media outlets have a liberal bias—Fox News. Thirty-one percent (31%) of Americans say it has a bias that favors conservatives while 15% say it has a liberal bias.
When it comes to delivering news without bias, 37% believe NPR accomplishes that goal. Thirty-six percent (36%) say the same for Fox and 32% believe it’s true of CNN. As noted earlier, just 25% believe the major broadcast networks deliver news in an unbiased manner. Results for other media outlets will be released over the next week.
Media fairness has emerged as a debate on Capitol Hill following the recent debate on immigration when public opinion overwhelmed the will of the Senate. Some lawmakers have called for a re-introduction of the “Fairness Doctrine” requiring stations to air competing points of view. Rasmussen Reports will release data on public attitudes towards that concept over the weekend.
Not surprisingly, there are huge partisan and ideological differences in the data. For example, among self-identified liberals, all of the media outlets are believed to have some net bias in favor of conservatives. However, 50% of liberals say that NPR is unbiased. Forty-three percent (43%) say the same about CNN. As for the major television networks, 49% of liberals believe they have a conservative bias. Just 10% of liberals see a liberal bias at ABC, CBS, and NBC.
Conservatives throughout the nation see things entirely differently. Sixty-two percent (62%) see a liberal bias at the major broadcast networks and 55% say the same about CNN. Forty-five percent (45%) of conservatives see Fox as unbiased and the rest are evenly divided. Eighteen percent (18%) of conservatives see Fox News as having a liberal bias while 21% say the opposite.
Younger adults are less likely than their elders to see a liberal bias across all of the media outlets.
On a partisan basis, Democrats see the major television networks and Fox as biased in favor of conservatives. Solid pluralities of Democrats believe CNN and NPR deliver news without bias. Those Democrats who see bias at CNN and NPR are fairly evenly divided, but are a bit more likely to detect conservative bias.
Republicans see a strong liberal bias on all the outlets except Fox. Forty-nine percent (49%) of the GOP faithful see Fox as fair and balanced.
Those not affiliated with either major party tend to see a liberal bias everywhere except Fox. Thirty-eight percent (38%) of unaffiliateds see a liberal bias at the major television networks while only 19% see a conservative bias.
During Election 2004, 38% of voters thought CBS News anchorman Dan Ratherwas actively trying to help John Kerry win the election. Other data showed that voters tended to select news sources based upon their political preferences.
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That people see what they want to see

[SoFlaJDM]

what people believe !=reality

nice try

[ballz2wallz]

Originally Posted by SoFlaJDM

what people believe !=reality

nice try

Does that arguement also work against you?

What you believe != reality!

Whew, I feel much better!




FYI, when it comes to PERCEIVED BIAS I'm going to take thousands of perception over yours alone, nice try.

[phreak]

Originally Posted by garbagemanlb

please post biased documentaries that cnn has played.

Melting Point.

they also had, a few years back, a 10 minute story saying how easy it is for someone to purchase a 50 cal. rifle. then sit at the end of a runway and hit both pilot and co-pilot of a commericial airliner in the attempt to kill a number of people.

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by phreak

Melting Point.

they also had, a few years back, a 10 minute story saying how easy it is for someone to purchase a 50 cal. rifle. then sit at the end of a runway and hit both pilot and co-pilot of a commericial airliner in the attempt to kill a number of people.

They've had a lot of overly biased documentaries. More than Fox could ever hope to play without getting trashed on for being biased.

Here's another that releases in a couple weeks that equates American Christians to suicide bombers.
Analyst concerned CNN documentary may equate 'Christian Right' with Islamic terrorists (OneNewsNow.com)

It's a pretty absurd statement to ask for a biased CNN documentary, there's quite a few.

There's also the one about the "Oil Crisis" that comes to mind off the top of my head. Then there's the one about Osama Bin Laden where they go around talking to all his school friends and try to make him out to be a nice guy. That one was called something like The Osama bin Laden I Know.

[Thorgrim]

It divided the big 3 up into 3 different programs...so there was no "equating" an average american christian to a saudi arabian suicide bomber who travels to iraq to kill 100+ people
God's Warriors - Special Reports from CNN.com

I don't see any "bias" it looks very interesting, something I'd recommend to conservatives and liberals alike if they were both bored

And I actually watched the friends of Osama one, it was really an incredibly piece of work, you got to know the man as his friends knew him, and really understood the enemy...it was not a "aww look at osama!" piece, it was an exhaustively detailed look at the entire life of a man, and no, as much as you might think, he was not eating puppies when he was 8 years old

[Rouger2]

I don't watch the news shows and I know why now. Read a good newspaper with a balanced editoral page and then read all the editorals. Although editoral writers are not up to the standard they once were. You should always try to understand the other guys views you often find there are some good in them.

[garbagemanlb]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

It divided the big 3 up into 3 different programs...so there was no "equating" an average american christian to a saudi arabian suicide bomber who travels to iraq to kill 100+ people
God's Warriors - Special Reports from CNN.com

I don't see any "bias" it looks very interesting, something I'd recommend to conservatives and liberals alike if they were both bored

And I actually watched the friends of Osama one, it was really an incredibly piece of work, you got to know the man as his friends knew him, and really understood the enemy...it was not a "aww look at osama!" piece, it was an exhaustively detailed look at the entire life of a man, and no, as much as you might think, he was not eating puppies when he was 8 years old

Wait, are you telling me he wasn't born thirsting for the blood of jews? Unpossible.

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by garbagemanlb

Wait, are you telling me he wasn't born thirsting for the blood of jews? Unpossible.

The fact that you agree with the documentary or the way it portrays our enemies doesn't change the fact that there is a liberal bias involved. Attacking Fox News for conservative documentaries, but defending liberal CNN documentaries because you agree with them isn't exactly a fair way to judge media bias.

[Thorgrim]

Originally Posted by JaJae

The fact that you agree with the documentary or the way it portrays our enemies doesn't change the fact that there is a liberal bias involved. Attacking Fox News for conservative documentaries, but defending liberal CNN documentaries because you agree with them isn't exactly a fair way to judge media bias.

There is nothing liberal about knowing your enemy

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

There is nothing liberal about knowing your enemy

It's not a piece conservatives would enjoy. It would be akin to airing a documentary piece about how Hitler was a nice man in his youth and portray him as someone you'd want to share a beer with so soon after the Holocaust. The political ideology behind it certainly isn't conservative considering the current political cloud over the war and the war on terrorism.

Most of their documentaries are presented in such a way as to target a liberal audience. Fox's documentaries are presented in such a way as to target a conservative audience. It's the crap, different station. We need to come to terms and understand that before attacking one side for having a bias without understanding that it occurs on both sides.

I could sit here and say there's nothing wrong with any of Fox's documentaries and I'd be right. From a certain perspective there's nothing wrong with them. It doesn't change the fact that they hold a political bias.

[Thorgrim]

Originally Posted by JaJae

It's not a piece conservatives would enjoy. It would be akin to airing a documentary piece about how Hitler was a nice man in his youth and portray him as someone you'd want to share a beer with so soon after the Holocaust. The political ideology behind it certainly isn't conservative considering the current political cloud over the war and the war on terrorism.

Most of their documentaries are presented in such a way as to target a liberal audience. Fox's documentaries are presented in such a way as to target a conservative audience. It's the crap, different station. We need to come to terms and understand that before attacking one side for having a bias without understanding that it occurs on both sides.

I could sit here and say there's nothing wrong with any of Fox's documentaries and I'd be right. From a certain perspective there's nothing wrong with them. It doesn't change the fact that they hold a political bias.

Since you're speaking out of ignorance, there was nothing in the documentary that made me want to have a beer with Osama at any point in his life...he may have been obviously childish as a child, but that doesn't mean he was some sort of love-able entertaining person

You've made up this little story in your head that this documentary you've never seen is full of Osama running around giving flowers to everyone and CNN doing a full hour on it

Reviewing the documentary, I can not see any reason any conservative would not like it...the documentary quickly moved into his failures as a young adult, if it wasn't for his family money he would never have amounted to anything

And you compare this to Oliver North's little documentaries on how good the Iraq War was progressing in 2005, when basically everyone admits there was total chaos...it was pure propaganda, and you're comparing that with quite an academic piece that everyone should have learned something from...regardless of ideology

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

Since you're speaking out of ignorance, there was nothing in the documentary that made me want to have a beer with Osama at any point in his life...he may have been obviously childish as a child, but that doesn't mean he was some sort of love-able entertaining person

You've made up this little story in your head that this documentary you've never seen is full of Osama running around giving flowers to everyone and CNN doing a full hour on it

Reviewing the documentary, I can not see any reason any conservative would not like it...the documentary quickly moved into his failures as a young adult, if it wasn't for his family money he would never have amounted to anything

And you compare this to Oliver North's little documentaries on how good the Iraq War was progressing in 2005, when basically everyone admits there was total chaos...it was pure propaganda, and you're comparing that with quite an academic piece that everyone should have learned something from...regardless of ideology

I've seen clips, but not the whole thing. It's no different than people bashing the Fox documentaries they have never seen. The idea is the same as is the political ideologies behind them. Obviously wanting to have a beer with Osama was said in jest, I didn't think anyone would come to a different conclusion....

The point of the post wasn't the "beer" line that was said in jest, although your response seems to be the primary focus on this along with the usual taking cheap shots at me. The crux of the post is quite clear and the fact that it was ignored to take cheap shots at the poster, rather than the response seems to show that perhaps I wasn't that far off.

The two stations release documentaries where the target audience is that of a certain political group. There were many examples of documentaries given from CNN, and not just one. Together as a whole they lean to the left. They target their liberal audience and typically don't present much of the conservative point of view. Fox on the other hand does the exact opposite. It's the same crap on two different stations and that's the essentially the bottom line.

[Thorgrim]

I still see absolutely nothing liberal about the documentary or its target audience...why wouldn't a conservative want to know more about the man behind 9/11?

The way you talk about "well all these documentaries are presented in a way" that would suit liberals, it reminds me of Colbert saying "reality has a well known liberal bias"

CNN also had a wonderful documentary on Lebanon's civil war, I suppose that somehow is only interesting to liberals...learning about terrorists popping up in Lebanon (BTW they firmly placed the blame of the US marine bombings on Hezbollah, which is a still not a 100% fact)

I swear, they could do a documentary on the battle of the bulge, and if Fox did it, you'd say it was a good piece, if CNN broadcast the exact same piece (written by fox) you'd come on here talking about how liberals at CNN are focused on the one time the US was seriously pushed back in Europe