Originally Posted by Thorgrim Well, uh...last year the first week of July only one person was killed in Anbar Last year we didn't dare travel into the Anbar province. Now we do with fairly little resistance. Thanks again for the great report on progress in Iraq....
08-09-2007, 12:24 AM
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| Braccae tuae aperiuntur.  Reform Party NJ 
| Originally Posted by Thorgrim Last year we didn't dare travel into the Anbar province. Now we do with fairly little resistance. Thanks again for the great report on progress in Iraq. 
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08-09-2007, 12:35 AM
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| Originally Posted by JaJae Actually we had stations all over Anbar and inside Ramadi and many other Anbar cities, and we had convoys that went inbetween them all the time...we "dared travel" constantly
If our base structure is the same, I don't see why anyone would think it's "great" to celebrate giving free weapons, ammo and money to bribe Marine-killers to win them over, well, some people value other human lives less than others, I'm not in this thread to judge anyone's value system  | ||||
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08-09-2007, 06:17 AM
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| America Fuck Yea Election Moderator  Republican In Name Only
| the thread starter's original point has been validated by the responses in the previous pages. | ||||
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08-09-2007, 07:45 AM
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| A realist in the land of the fanatical  Realist Kansas City, MO 
| Originally Posted by kinggovernor Yes it has. The funny thing is that they don't see the irony.
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08-09-2007, 08:47 AM
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| ipsa Scientia Potestas est  Pragmatist Greensboro, NC
| Originally Posted by kinggovernor Wanting to vilify the Democrats so badly in the wake of the massive Republican failure to accomplish anything meaningful and positive in Iraq after 4 years and the wasted lives of nearly 4000 American soldiers doesn't validate any of the outlandish suggestions made in the original post.
Neither does wishful thinking. Sorry. His point that Democrats want more US soldiers to die for political reasons is simply wrong, and doesn't hold water except in the minds of people who so loathe the Democrats that any baseless claim which paints them in a bad light is rejoiced over. | ||||
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08-09-2007, 08:56 AM
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| Originally Posted by kinggovernor
No, it hasn't. Dressing up random things going on in Iraq and touting them as "success" is no proving the point at all. In order for Democrats to "hate success" there would have to actually be instances of success...none of which is found here. | ||||
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08-09-2007, 08:58 AM
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08-09-2007, 06:47 PM
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| Originally Posted by Donkey® we are currently having success in Al Anbar province, that isn't a "random" thing.
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08-09-2007, 07:20 PM
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| So you consider bribing marine killers to be success? "hey guys, oh you killed a lot of US marines recently, well will you please please stop and we'll give you all sorts of aid" Really, a shining moment for the US military  | ||||
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08-09-2007, 10:03 PM
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| Political Genius  Republican Yorba Linda Ca.
| Originally Posted by kinggovernor
I would hesitate to think anyone but the very far left want a military defeat for the country. But I wonder what the priorities are? Is their much more interest in a personal defeat for Bush and Republican (as opposed to Democrat) support for the Iraq invasion than the actual long term consequences? Just think if we do lose Iraq and out of the chaos you have another training camp for Al Qaeda. There will be a very hostile world after Bush leaves office in early 2009. I just hope the other side is as ready and determined to properly deal with that problem as they are with trying to bring down the President? I don't see much sign of that. 
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08-09-2007, 11:15 PM
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| Originally Posted by RMNIXON For the 100th time, Iraq will never be a training ground for AQ anymore than it was in 2004
Iraqis simply don't like AQ, they are a lot more religious than the neocons who lied to us said they were, but they aren't THAT religious | ||||
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08-10-2007, 02:29 AM
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| 3 soldiers were killed in Anbar in one day this week, 2 names unreleased: DefenseLink News Release: DoD Identifies Marine Casualty Multi-National Force - Iraq - Non-combat-related Death Multi-National Force - Iraq - MNF-W forces attacked | ||||
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08-10-2007, 04:06 AM
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| Originally Posted by RMNIXON I don't think that they REALLY want the military to fail, but they want the policies of GW to fail. Because if he fails, they win. So by refusing to believe that the tide has turned in Al Anbar province, it makes GW's policies look bad.
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08-10-2007, 05:04 AM
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| ipsa Scientia Potestas est Pragmatist Greensboro, NC
| The vast majority of the criticism coming from the left has been about Bush and his inept leadership. The military has performed greatly, the problem is there are no military solutions left in Iraq, only political.. and because Bush fails to recognize that, he's kept our troops in the middle of a civil war between factions that have been going at it for a milennia. I'm not sure where this "if he fails" notion is coming from. He has already failed, Iraq is a massive failure on pretty much every level. The largest Sunni bloc recently quit the government that we helped create.. what chance is there now of a viable political solution when they'd rather go on vacation to avoid the heat than sit down and work out their problems? | ||||
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08-10-2007, 09:53 AM
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| Originally Posted by Thorgrim We never said they were religious, we said they weren't complying with UN resolutions
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08-10-2007, 11:01 AM
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| Don't you love how KG has completely ignored the fact that we're arming those who have just got done killing US Marines? Infact, we are REWARDING them throwing all sorts of funding (really its tribute) at them off because we couldn't defeat them "millions for defense, but not one cent for tribute" My how we've become cowards in comparison to our founding fathers | ||||
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08-10-2007, 11:07 AM
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| helluo librorum The Lab Moderator  Humanist Chicago Suburbs
| Originally Posted by motivez I was wondering this myself.
Bush's policies have already been a failure, as has this war. There will never be a "win" for us in Iraq and people who support the war can't even tell us realistically what a win would look like. | ||||
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08-10-2007, 11:09 AM
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| helluo librorum The Lab Moderator Humanist Chicago Suburbs
| Originally Posted by Thorgrim We are just making our next round of bad guys to fight.
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08-10-2007, 04:48 PM
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| Originally Posted by motivez
Oh please! Tell it to the New Republic! You really think you can pass all the rocks that have been thrown at the feet of George Bush and the Civilians in the Whitehouse at this stage?  | ||||
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08-10-2007, 04:54 PM
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| ipsa Scientia Potestas est Pragmatist Greensboro, NC
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