Weekend feature: American homeland security | Special reports | Guardian Unlimited When writer Elena Lappin flew to LA, she dreamed of a sunkissed, laid-back city. But that was before airport officials decided to detain her as a threat to security ... Saturday June 5, 2004 The Guardian Somewhere in central ...
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| For those about to rock... libertarian Atlanta, GA ![]() ![]()
| British reporter detained for 26 hours at LAX Weekend feature: American homeland security | Special reports | Guardian Unlimited
I'm damn near speechless. To deal with someone who has done nothing wrong (minus the minor clerical error) so emotionless is simply horrible. It's hard to believe that this ever happened in America.
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| Really horrifying. Worse, however, is every single current Republican Presidential candidate except for Ron Paul I believe, advocates policies which will directly lead to more situations like this, and situations worse than this.. for people who are potentially innocent of any wrongdoing, being only suspected of something. It's incredible. And so many people support and cheer for those policies. I don't understand it at all. | ||||
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| minor irritant &/or non-entity News Moderator Contrarian Birmingham, UK ![]()
| Originally Posted by Ardentfrost JUST in terms of the desriptions of rooms, food, handcuffs, attitudes of enforcement personel & the processes of fingerprinting, body searches etc, ..., then it seems perfectly normal treatment of suspects to me, I judge this from my experience, those of my friends & other accounts I've read. For example no one is ever handcuffed so that it doesnt hurt. Rapid shifts in attitude upon singing documents is also SOP.
The whole process is obviously designed to imtimidate & the fact that operatives within the system take seem to take some kind of satisfaction in it isnt surprising either. I mean can you imagine someone who choses to have a job body searching people & then always taking care to be as kind, gentle & considerate as possible? How exceptional would such a person be? Ballz' accounts of his recent arrest seemed vastly at odds with how I saw such things happening & put it down to the sympathy the cops had for him in regard to the nature of his crime & how it came to light etc. | ||||
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| For those about to rock... libertarian Atlanta, GA ![]() ![]()
| I can understand treating someone who may be planning to bomb our shit poorly (to a point... not Abu Gharib poorly). But this was a reporter from a friendly nation who has ties to the US including a husband and a US-born child. After explaining her situation and promising to leave the next day, they should have just allowed her to stay in a hotel on her own dime, maybe even kept a watch on her if they're really scared about it, and sent her home the following day. They weren't going to get any terrorist plot information out of her because she simply was not related to terrorists at all. Additionally, I find it shitty that we have journalist blocks on friendly countries. She mentions in the article that the only other countries that do that are ones with authoritarian control over their people (Iran, Cuba, et al). She wasn't a criminal. She made a clerical error and even IF we're going to restrict exactly how journalists can come into the country, we shouldn't be treating them like some sort of security risk when they are OBVIOUSLY (as is the case in this story) not. | ||||
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| minor irritant &/or non-entity News Moderator Contrarian Birmingham, UK ![]()
| Originally Posted by Ardentfrost yes this is whats objectionable, ..., or any country for that matter, unless, possibly, the journo has 'previous form'.
the clerical error makes her a suspect suspects are very very often treated in a manner very similar to that described. Its my impression that this happens worldwide, it goes with the job I was just surprised that you seemed to think otherwise & either way suspects are 'innocent' no matter what the level of 'horror' of the crime | ||||
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| Freedom isn't free, right? ![]() Disgusting, our government truly is disgusting. She should have asked for her embassy, but asking for that our Nazi TSA "employees" would have sent her off to Gitmo. | ||||
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| Originally Posted by motivez
It is the fault of Republicans that they don't micromanage Airport security?
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| Political Genius Republican Yorba Linda Ca. ![]()
| Originally Posted by hsmith
What you have are poorly trained employees in a boring job. They are trained like robots to follow rules. What TSA needs are people, supervisors in the very least, who can make better judgement calls. I suspect an overreaction in this case. Notice how I used the word "suspect." Did it occur to any of you people that you are hearing a very one-sided version of the story and coming to full conclusions of what took place? Terms such as "Controled anger" is the claim of the author. I would shudder to think of such people on a Jury! | ||||
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| Political Genius Republican Yorba Linda Ca. ![]()
| What Democrat for President wants to get rid of the TSA or even pass major reforms? Did I miss a story here? What Democrats voted for it or against it in the first place? I have no idea, but I like to ask these questions. | ||||
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| Originally Posted by RMNIXON the problem is you have placed dictatorial powers in the hands of low paid and low skilled workers
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| I know a guy that works at the TSA. I wouldn't trust him to guard a cemetery, let alone access to our nation via the airports. | ||||
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| Political Genius Republican Yorba Linda Ca. ![]()
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| Better Dead than Red Democrat "My friends, we’ve got them just where we want them.” ![]()
| Originally Posted by motivez reason #1348934 why the dems will run away with the 08 elections
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| Baka Idealist Adelaide, Australia ![]()
| Another reason why I don't wish to got hrough customs, I dislike the attitude | ||||
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| For those about to rock... libertarian Atlanta, GA ![]() ![]()
| Yeah, having an American passport makes it bearable, but if I had a foreign passport I think I just wouldn't come to America for a while.... and that's shitty that our international customs makes non-terrorist people think twice about coming here. | ||||
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| Political Genius Republican Yorba Linda Ca. ![]()
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