Who came in Fifth?

JaJae · 08-13-2007, 03:46 PM

Who came in fifth place of the Iowa Straw Poll?
Romney Wins Iowa's GOP Poll - washingtonpost.com

Former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee finished second with 18 percent of the 14,302 votes cast, and Sen. Sam Brownback of Kansas ran third with 15 percent. Huckabee and Brownback had waged a fierce battle for the allegiance of Iowa's social and religious conservatives. An ebullient Huckabee said Saturday night that the outcome will give his campaign a significant boost and vowed to coalesce those conservatives in Iowa and other early-voting states.

Rep. Tom Tancredo of Colorado, the most outspoken opponent of current U.S. immigration policy, finished fourth with 14 percent. Former Wisconsin governor Tommy G. Thompson was sixth at 7 percent. He had said he would quit the presidential race if he failed to finish in the top two, and his campaign said late Saturday that he would make an announcement within 48 hours about his candidacy

This is pathetic. AP did the same thing.
Romney: Iowa straw poll win not hollow - Yahoo! News

I haven't found one major news article yet that mentioned Ron Paul's placement. They either only give the top finalists and end before mentioning his name or they just skip him altogether.

Not that fifth is a respectable place to come in at, it deserves mentioning if you're going to mention everyone else. It's said how the media is trying to shut him down.

SoFlaJDM · 08-13-2007, 04:24 PM

you conveniently forgot to mention someone

SoFlaJDM · 08-13-2007, 04:26 PM

aren't you a rudy fan anyway?

Publius · 08-13-2007, 04:28 PM

I know certain people like to say that all this talk of Ron Paul being "freezed out" by the media is just excuses made up by the Ron Paul crowd, but I'd say that this is pretty solid evidence that mainstream media is intentionally ignoring and marginalizing him.

Scrum · 08-13-2007, 04:38 PM

Originally Posted by Publius

I know certain people like to say that all this talk of Ron Paul being "freezed out" by the media is just excuses made up by the Ron Paul crowd, but I'd say that this is pretty solid evidence that mainstream media is intentionally ignoring and marginalizing him.

I agree, but as someone left of RP and 99.9% of his supporters, I'm not sure why.

Thorgrim · 08-13-2007, 04:40 PM

I didn't know 5th place, (with 3 of the top candidates not involved) was some sort of honor...he lost to Tancredo and beat a guy who just dropped out...everyone below that did not seriously compete and got like 200 to 90 votes...

What it show, was that out of 2,982,085 people in Iowa, there are only 1,305 people with libertarian values who are willing to drive to a polling place and pay $35 dollars

So I calculated that at about 0.0004%...that is not the start of a movement

Scrum · 08-13-2007, 04:42 PM

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

I didn't know 5th place, (with 3 of the top candidates not involved) was some sort of honor...

It's not, but 6th and 7th aren't either and they added those names to the list.

Publius · 08-13-2007, 04:46 PM

Originally Posted by Scrum

It's not, but 6th and 7th aren't either and they added those names to the list.

Not worth discussing it with him, no matter what he just uses these discussions as a way to dig on libertarians regardless of the validity of the arguments/discussion in the thread.

Thorgrim · 08-13-2007, 04:50 PM

From what I can tell, none of them are talking about Rep. Hunter, who had just a bad a performance

Perhaps they only put the 6th place guy because he dropped out and that was a newsworthy event...they ignored other people too

lew · 08-13-2007, 04:50 PM

It's pretty fucking ridiculous is what it is

lew · 08-13-2007, 04:51 PM

They ignored the only three candidates that come anywhere near close to traditional conservative.

That being Tancredo, Paul, and Hunter.

nbiggershaft · 08-13-2007, 05:17 PM

It was so widespread there two main possibilities.

1. Conspiracy by major news networks.

2. They covered the top candidates, and the headliners.

My guess is that it is number 2. It's like golf or cycling, they show you the top people, and they show you the famous ones. They don't show you 5th or 6th in a golf tournament but they will show tiger when he is 9th. It's newsworthy that Guiliani and Thompson were so low, and the other Thompson dropped out.

nbiggershaft · 08-13-2007, 05:21 PM

After reading the Washington post story it seems obvious too, they talked about the front runners in the election first, then they went through the winners of the straw poll and said a guy was dropping out.

lew · 08-13-2007, 11:04 PM

But they mention Tommy Thompson before he made a statement about dropping out.

Thorgrim · 08-14-2007, 12:02 AM

Originally Posted by lew

But they mention Tommy Thompson before he made a statement about dropping out.

proof? i know he said he wasn't going to continue unless he got like 2nd or 3rd...same with Huckabee, so it was obvious after the vote who was going to stay and who was going to go...

nbiggershaft · 08-14-2007, 10:22 AM

Originally Posted by lew

But they mention Tommy Thompson before he made a statement about dropping out.

"He had said he would quit the presidential race if he failed to finish in the top two, and his campaign said late Saturday that he would make an announcement within 48 hours about his candidacy"

"Prior to the event, Wisconsin Gov. Tommy Thompson had said repeatedly that if he didn't finish in the top two his campaign was likely to end. "Candidates who finish in the bottom half of the straw poll should withdraw from the race and support the rest of the field," Thompson said on his campaign Web site in June."

From the two articles posted in the OP.

avsp · 08-14-2007, 12:30 PM

FWIW, the cited Yahoo/AP link does now contain the text
"Thompson finished in 6th place with 1,039 votes, which put him behind Rep. Tom Tancredo of Colorado and Rep. Ron Paul of Texas. "

In total I think there are 8 different versions of the story with two different headlines all on the same url

Mentions of RP get edited in & out

I think the first edit in, (which seems to co-incide with ppl starting to complain about it), includes stuff about a lawsuit by RP supporters trying to get the poll defered coz of concerns about the voting machines. This subsequently got edited out

If anyone is interested in all this the duplicate copies of the two thread titles are in the recycle bin which the senior mods have access to

Currently theres a Yahoo/AP post
Iowa GOP Straw Poll results - Yahoo! News

Sat Aug 11, 10:30 PM ET
AP - Results of Saturday's Iowa Republican Party Straw Poll. Candidate Votes Percent Mitt Romney 4,516 31.5 Mike Huckabee 2,587 18.1 Sam Brownback 2,192 15.3 Tom Tancredo 1,961 13.7 Ron Paul 1,305 9.1 Tommy Thompson 1,039 7.3 Fred Thompson 203 1.4 Rudy Giuliani 183 1.3 Duncan Hunter 174 1.2 John McCain 101 1.0 John Cox 41 less than 1 __ Source: Iowa State Party Chairman Ray Hoffman

It is common for Yahoo/AP to do numerous edits on the same url, ..., to the point, on very rare occasions, of changing the story 180 degrees.

At times I've wondered if some edits were because of actual bias from AP central upon their journalists. Off the top of my head I can quote any emples though

If the collective feel that this is any kind of issue worth following in the future then it would probably help for DD's auto-parse fingy to leave in the original date byline which is currently edited out.

To be really conspiratorial about it, ..., if/when RP does 'break thru' then all this 'freeze out' stuff may very well really help his standing & that why its being done now ;noes:.

It is also absolutely appalling that the media do this & I doubt such stuff would happen on mainstrean TV/press in the UK on UK domestic politics. Unfortunately I've no time to check the UK press.

I'd be surprised if mainstream UK political TV programes carried the Iowa straw poll, but they may've. RP certainly has had the odd mention as a 2nd teir candidate tho'

Lastly VIVA RON

burgundy that is!

motivez · 08-14-2007, 01:42 PM

I'm not at all shocked that he was left out of the announcement on Fox that was posted in another thread.. They obviously don't want his message associated with someone who has an R next to their name.. it's much better politically to try to paint his anti-war position as one only radical liberals hold..

I'm quite surprised that the AP and Yahoo and Washington Post left him out though, I wonder if they were all getting their facts from some initial source and just copied it down without the reporters really thinking much about it?

Ardentfrost · 08-14-2007, 05:53 PM

Iowa Straw Poll Results

Mitt Romney: 4,516 / 31.5%

Mike Huckabee: 2,587 / 18.1%

Sam Brownback: 2,192 / 15.3%

Tom Tancredo: 1,961 / 13.7%

Ron Paul: 1,305 / 9.1%

Tommy Thompson: 1,039 / 7.3%

Fred Thompson: 203 / 1.4%

Rudy Giuliani: 183 / 1.3%

Duncan Hunter: 174 / 1.2%

John McCain: 101 / 1.0%

John Cox: 41 / .1%

14,302 Total Votes

26,000 Total Tickets Sold

I don't know why this poll matters so much with only 14k votes period... I guess that's a lot considering the $35 ticket charge.

Anyhow, I don't think RP did a bad job. Over 1300 votes, so people spent over $45.5k to go vote for him.