Wow...Cheney explains why invading Iraq is a bad idea.

[Linzyhop]

but um. . .

9/11 was al queda.....

[Stylerod]

Originally Posted by motivez

Which was exactly his response when ABC asked him about similar comments in the past...

Makes sense.

[motivez]

Yeah, Saddam being involved in 9/11 changed whether or not it was worth the American lives that'd be lost in toppling him and changed the risk/reward scenario completely.

Except that he wasn't involved.

[Stylerod]

Originally Posted by Linzyhop

but um. . .

9/11 was al queda.....

It was. And a lot of people thought Iraq might even be more evil and might have even worse weapons to use against us. Of course we found that out to not be true (hindsight 20/20 and all that) and now we are stuck there.

[DosEquis]

Originally Posted by Stylerod

It was. And a lot of people thought Iraq might even be more evil and might have even worse weapons to use against us. Of course we found that out to not be true (hindsight 20/20 and all that) and now we are stuck there.

That is probably the dumbest logic ever for justifying war with another country, because there are far greater threats to the United States and we leave them alone.

[Stylerod]

Originally Posted by DosEquis

That is probably the dumbest logic ever for justifying war with another country, because there are far greater threats to the United States and we leave them alone.

At the time it sure didn't seem like it. Of course it's easy to say it after the fact.

[lew]

Originally Posted by Stylerod

At the time it sure didn't seem like it. Of course it's easy to say it after the fact.

Thank God people like Ron Paul stood up and said so BEFORE the fact.

[WickedLou9]

Originally Posted by Stylerod

At the time it sure didn't seem like it. Of course it's easy to say it after the fact.

I don't understand how 9/11 could have changed the situation in IRaq and made Cheney's prediction somehow not valid anymore.
Did 9/11 just blind them with rage and make them do stupid things like attack Iraq?
It would seem 9/11 didn't actually change anything because what he said is exactly what is happening. Only our perceptions changed.

[Stylerod]

Originally Posted by WickedLou9

I don't understand how 9/11 could have changed the situation in IRaq and made Cheney's prediction somehow not valid anymore.
Did 9/11 just blind them with rage and make them do stupid things like attack Iraq?
It would seem 9/11 didn't actually change anything because what he said is exactly what is happening. Only our perceptions changed.

Sure. 9/11 made it real, instead of just a plausible theory, that people would come into our country and kill as many people as they possible could and will succeed at it if precautions aren't taken to prevent it.

What it changed was that, while he was correct in what he said in the first video, it would be worth it.

[Scrum]

Originally Posted by Stylerod

Sure. 9/11 made it real, instead of just a plausible theory, that people would come into our country and kill as many people as they possible could and will succeed at it if precautions aren't taken to prevent it.

What it changed was that, while he was correct in what he said in the first video, it would be worth it.

Wait, so 9/11 made the invasion of Iraq look like it would be worth it now?

This shows that Cheney was willing to throw american citizens into a meat grinder to further a political opportunity (9/11).

[P/N]

It blows my mind how many of you just don't get it. You would rather turn this into a political "monkey fucking a football" scenario than take things like facts into consideration.

[motivez]

What facts are those?

[Stylerod]

Originally Posted by Scrum

Wait, so 9/11 made the invasion of Iraq look like it would be worth it now?

This shows that Cheney was willing to throw american citizens into a meat grinder to further a political opportunity (9/11).

If you want to call the safety of all Americans a "political opportunity", ok. Plenty of Democrats were for this "political opportunity" as well.

[Donkey®]

Originally Posted by P/N

It blows my mind how many of you just don't get it. You would rather turn this into a political "monkey fucking a football" scenario than take things like facts into consideration.

Please list out these so called "facts" so we can discuss them.

[Linzyhop]

Originally Posted by Donkey®

Please list out these so called "facts" so we can discuss them.

indeed.

[Scrum]

Originally Posted by Stylerod

If you want to call the safety of all Americans a "political opportunity", ok. Plenty of Democrats were for this "political opportunity" as well.

Extremists have always wanted to kill Americans in a dramatic fashion and some finally did. If you win the lotto (or in this case something bad) does that mean you are more likely to win it again? They finally got one through. Lets shore up our defenses so this doesn't happen again. Invading Iraq has nothing to do with defending this county and it looks like even Cheney knew that in '94. Nothing changed since then that would make that different.

It's a political opportunity because you are just as safe from Iraq on 9/10 and you were on 9/12. He lists all the reasons why invading Iraq is a bad idea and lo and behold they were true.


This video has Cheney telling us exactly what has happened and people are still disputing it?


And leave the "Democrats were for this as well" out of the thread. It has zero bearing on the subject and in reality means little to anyone.

[Scrum]

Originally Posted by Donkey®

Please list out these so called "facts" so we can discuss them.

This should be good.

[IminWonderland]

Originally Posted by Stylerod

Sure. 9/11 made it real, instead of just a plausible theory, that people would come into our country and kill as many people as they possible could and will succeed at it if precautions aren't taken to prevent it.

What it changed was that, while he was correct in what he said in the first video, it would be worth it.

The effect of 9/11 on the Administration was that it gave them an excuse. It's like after Pearl Harbor, who was going to argue with us for going to war with Japan?

The problem is, we weren't attacked by a country, we were attacked by a random group of people.

They have used that attack to have an excuse.

It's been an excuse to take rights, to take money, to gain power, and expand military power.

And it gave them a THICK skull. Because they have claimed superiority over all of us, they don't listen to experts, the people who pay them, or even religious leaders when they tell them the blood they are shedding is not just for money, it's vain.

The used it, because they could. They have been trying to suck the pity from the World Community. No one complained about Afghanistan. But, even remote countries with a hint of history and foreign policy knew that going there was a bad idea.

I wonder what stock options Cheney had in 1994 vs. 2003 to see maybe why he would change his mind about an expensive war?

[Stylerod]

Originally Posted by Scrum

And leave the "Democrats were for this as well" out of the thread. It has zero bearing on the subject and in reality means little to anyone.

It has everything to do with this thread. Cheney and the Democrats thought Iraq was enough of a risk to our security to attack. I know you don't want to think of it that way because it's much, much easier to just blame Cheney. But the invasion of Iraq was bi-partisan. Each party thought it was worth it because of the assumed risk they were to us and the rest of the world.

[Stylerod]

Originally Posted by IminWonderland