Originally Posted by Joe_Cool We supported one in a war against another. Sounds good to me. Iran has always been more our enemy than Iraq. And I also have another question...why was Saddam any worse than the Shah of Iran? Why did we turn on Saddam in the first place ...
08-23-2007, 01:05 PM
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| Originally Posted by Joe_Cool 
And I also have another question...why was Saddam any worse than the Shah of Iran? Why did we turn on Saddam in the first place when we were such buddies with the Shah? "Saddam was a bad man?" Well...the Shah was too. It's a prime example of why people call us hypocrites. | ||||
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08-23-2007, 01:22 PM
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| Originally Posted by Joe_Cool History says otherwise. During the Eisenhower administration in the 1953 Iran had an elected leader who was demanding the UK give them their fair share of oil revenues from there territory. We labeled him "communist" and had him over thrown via some CIA coup. An extremely brutal leader took over after that, but they were in power because of us, so they/we were ok with it. That set of leaders were overthrown by another extremely brutal BUT also extremely anti-american leader. Anti-american because of everything we had done there, brutal dictators installed, etc.
Iran wasn't an enemy until we installed a brutal dictator upon their citizens. | ||||
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08-23-2007, 01:22 PM
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| Originally Posted by Joe_Cool We actually sold arms to both sides in the hopes that they would kill eachother.
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08-23-2007, 01:25 PM
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| Originally Posted by WickedLou9 Don't forget trading weapons for hostages too.
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08-23-2007, 01:58 PM
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| Originally Posted by Donkey® We were friendly with Iran for a lot of years. They only became an enemy after the Shah took ill and radical muslims under Ayatollah Khomeini overthrew his government. Then they overran our embassy, took our people hostage, and held them for over a year, killing at least one (iirc).
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08-23-2007, 02:00 PM
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| And still no one has addressed the question of how it was okay for Cheney to say we'd be greeted as liberators after making these statements  Other than, of course, 9/11 changed everything ... Except for the fact that we're not talking about why we went to war. How is this so hard to grasp? And dry humping of Ronald Reagan makes me giggle. | ||||
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08-23-2007, 02:01 PM
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| Originally Posted by Donkey® The Shah wasn't the problem. Ayatollah Khomeini was the problem. He overthrew the Shah in 1979. The Iraq-Iran war started in 1980.
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08-23-2007, 02:01 PM
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| Originally Posted by WickedLou9 Again, I fail to see the problem.
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08-23-2007, 02:02 PM
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| Originally Posted by Joe_Cool
You can't even be 1/2 serious here... Look back when the CIA put the Shah in to begin with. That wasn't appreciated by a majority of the country. They did NOT like it. They especially didn't like it when the Shah started imprisoning, torturing and killing people. | ||||
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08-23-2007, 02:02 PM
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| Originally Posted by DosEquis We didn't "install a brutal dictator". We supported the monarchy that had been in place for about 2 millenia.
Besides, I thought democracy couldn't work in the middle east. Isnt' that what you guys have been saying all along? We're supporting a democratically-elected government now, and you want us to turn tail and run so that it can be overthrown. How is that any different? | ||||
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08-23-2007, 02:03 PM
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| Originally Posted by Joe_Cool
They Shah wasn't a problem for WHO? Certainly not the Iranian people.... | ||||
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08-23-2007, 02:04 PM
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| Originally Posted by Donkey® We didn't PUT him in power. We KEPT him in power.
It may be a small difference, but it's a difference. | ||||
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08-23-2007, 02:05 PM
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| Originally Posted by Donkey® For us, obviously.
 And we didn't take Saddam out of power because he wasn't a nice guy. That was only a side benefit. We took him out of power for the same reasons I've stated 5 dozen times. | ||||
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08-23-2007, 02:06 PM
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| Originally Posted by Joe_Cool We put him in power, it's called a CIA coup for a reason
The Iranian people elected a secular upstanding citizen as leader of their country, we put together a coup that installed the Shah as a tyrant | ||||
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08-23-2007, 02:12 PM
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| Originally Posted by Joe_Cool
Fine..."kept." It's no consequence to the discussion. We were meddling with the affairs of the Iranian people. They elected their parliment which put the Prime Minister in power and after the Prime Minister came to officially run the country (in which the Shah fled Iran) WE put the Shah back in power. So as you see...they disliked us for a reason...not just out of the blue. They didn't start the shit, we did. | ||||
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08-23-2007, 02:13 PM
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| Originally Posted by Joe_Cool
Really? Why did we take Saddam out of power? And again, the discussion was about you saying the Iranians started with us for no reason...which is completely not true. | ||||
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08-23-2007, 02:21 PM
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| Originally Posted by Donkey® I'm not typing allthatshitbyme.jpg again. Search my posts if your memory is really that short.
Search terms "attempted assassination", "conditional cease-fire" | ||||
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08-23-2007, 02:24 PM
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| Originally Posted by Joe_Cool
Oh yes, I forgot...Saddam attempted to assassinate Bush. I remember seeing the evidence on TV. Ahhh...forgot about the whole "you broke the cease-fire" thing. Certainly they were stupid for attacking us...wait...no, they didn't. | ||||
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08-23-2007, 02:25 PM
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| Originally Posted by Donkey® we can pick out things we don't like and have already punished countries for about a decade ago...see "attempted"
And use that as an excuse for war we can also take minor violations of UN resolutions and use it as a reason to invade and occupy Israel, Iraq, whoever we want | ||||
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08-23-2007, 02:37 PM
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