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Old 08-15-2007, 01:17 PM   #1
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Gen. Petreaus big report is going to written by the White House; can't trust a word

Despite Bush's repeated statements that the report will reflect evaluations by Petraeus and Ryan Crocker, the U.S. ambassador to Iraq, administration officials said it would actually be written by the White House, with inputs from officials throughout the government.

Top general may propose pullbacks - Los Angeles Times

Will any of you believe his report as being non-partisan and objective...following not only Petraeus's visits on right-wing radio shows to rally the conservatives, but his duty as morale booster for the US military (can't go telling your own troops that we're fighting as a failure), servant to the commander in chief, etc etc

On top of this, the damn thing is GOING TO BE WRITTEN BY THE BUSH WHITE HOUSE
 
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It's going to say exactly what you expcet the Bush admin would have it say. That the going is tough, that we are making progress, that the surge is working, that we can win, and that most of all, we need more time.

I will put money on this.
 
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Old 08-15-2007, 02:08 PM   #3
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"winnable war" is the new catch phrase... i'm gonna be on the lookout for that one

i'm 99.9% sure i can expect them to do their usual "baghdad bob" routine though
 
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Old 08-15-2007, 04:05 PM   #4
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I think the report will be done well and correct... I think the coverage of that report however, will be complete bullshit. Fox and the administration will not speak of political progress (none) because it will make them look bad. In other words i think we could probably trust the report but not those analyzing it for us... like Tony Snow, Bush, and Sean Hannity.
 
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Originally Posted by DosEquis View Post
I think the report will be done well and correct... I think the coverage of that report however, will be complete bullshit. Fox and the administration will not speak of political progress (none) because it will make them look bad. In other words i think we could probably trust the report but not those analyzing it for us... like Tony Snow, Bush, and Sean Hannity.
Even though it's being written by the White House?
 
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Originally Posted by Thorgrim View Post
Even though it's being written by the White House?
Ah, should have read that title closer. If done by patreaus i think it will be fairly objective. Done by the whitehouse... it will be laughable.
 
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Originally Posted by DosEquis View Post
Ah, should have read that title closer. If done by patreaus i think it will be fairly objective. Done by the whitehouse... it will be laughable.
Way to ruin my 100% no
 
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Emmanuel was reacting to a story in the Wednesday Los Angeles Times that read: "Despite Bush's repeated statements that the report will reflect evaluations by Petraeus and Ryan Crocker, the U.S. ambassador to Iraq, administration officials said it would actually be written by the White House, with inputs from officials throughout the government."

The White House responded to Emanuel's statement Wednesday, arguing the report will have input from the U.S. military and diplomatic leaders on the ground in Iraq before it is submitted to Congress.
"It's unfortunate that someone would impugn the reputations of General Petraeus and Ambassador Crocker," deputy White House secretary Dana Perino told ABC News. "We are confident these men of incredible integrity will speak as candidly to the members of congress as they do to the president, just as they did in July for that report."

"If you read the legislation, it sets out clearly how this works, which means input from [Defense Secretary Robert] Gates, [State Department Secretary Condoleezza] Rice, [U.S. Mideast Commander Admiral William] Fallon, [U.S. Military Commander in Iraq General David ]Petraeus and [U.S. Ambassador in Iraq Ryan] Crocker, then the President submits it, after Petraeus and Crocker testify," said Gordon Johndroe, spokesperson for the National Security Council.
Political Radar: Dishonest Iraq Report?

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Originally Posted by JaJae View Post
perhaps you could highlight it for me...

Even they admit that the WH submits the report, and only takes into account Petraeus...they could put him in for a single sentence

And "again"? I'd like to see my grave errors on Iraq
 
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Originally Posted by Thorgrim View Post
On top of this, the damn thing is GOING TO BE WRITTEN BY THE BUSH WHITE HOUSE
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perhaps you could highlight it for me...
No it's not.
 
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Originally Posted by JaJae View Post
No it's not.
I guess I am just wondering where in your quote it says it refutes the threadstarter?
 
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Hannity has been using the catch-phrase "winnable war" since all of the neoconservative radio hosts were called back to the White House a couple of weeks ago to receive their new propaganda talking points directly from Bush himself. It's laughable that Hannity and other neoconservatives can try to paint the picture that we're winning in in Iraq whenever we capture some terrorist 'master-mind' who will just be replaced next week by one of the millions of others our polices have helped create over there. Over 250 civilians died on Tuesday in Iraq, yet we're winning the war because Bush and his cronies say so.
 
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Who cares who writes it or contributes to it? It's going to be bullshit anyway.
 
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It'll be no different than the pre-Iraq war intelligence which was finagled with
 
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Crooks and Liars » Matthews calls out the Petraeus/WH propaganda Iraq report

Matthews points it out
 
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The report is out now.
 
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Yes, and as you can see above, there was no open mind going into it. No matter what the facts are, some will continue to ignore them over and over again.
 
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Originally Posted by P/N View Post
Yes, and as you can see above, there was no open mind going into it. No matter what the facts are, some will continue to ignore them over and over again.
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The Democrats have been fighting any kind of encouraging news that comes out of Iraq. Actually, they fight any kind of encouraging news that comes out of our country all together.

They have to stay negative. They need an angry voter base so they can get votes. And if they admit things are going better in Iraq, the economy is good, low unemployment is good etc, they fear they will lose votes.

It's a shitty place to be but it's their only game plan.

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The Democrats have been fighting any kind of encouraging news that comes out of Iraq. Actually, they fight any kind of encouraging news that comes out of our country all together.

They have to stay negative. They need an angry voter base so they can get votes. And if they admit things are going better in Iraq, the economy is good, low unemployment is good etc, they fear they will lose votes.

It's a shitty place to be but it's their only game plan.
I am inclined to agree with you that that may be the Democrat strategy but one thing I want to point out independent of whatever their motivations are- encouraging news does not necessarily mean winning news.

If two people are on the road to a messy divorce but then become a little less bitter, that is encouraging but the divorce will still happen. Encouraging news means nothing if we are still on the road to losing this war or being in the middle of a civil war.
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I am inclined to agree with you that that may be the Democrat strategy but one thing I want to point out independent of whatever their motivations are- encouraging news does not necessarily mean winning news.

If two people are on the road to a messy divorce but then become a little less bitter, that is encouraging but the divorce will still happen. Encouraging news means nothing if we are still on the road to losing this war or being in the middle of a civil war.
Thanks for admitting that. And I agree, Iraq isn't going as anyone would have liked. But what war has? Really? As some famous general said "No battle plan ever survives contact with the enemy.." There are so few perfect successes in war that the few there are are treated like legend (like Inchon). Just because things aren't going perfectly or our original plans failed do we just leave to allow a genocide in our absence? It seems that is what a LOT on the left would like.

And Democrats, as seen by this thread made almost a MONTH before the report was given, had made up their minds to dismiss anything the General said that might be positive. Hell, they even put a full page add in the NYT to call him a liar. How fucking slimy can a party be???
 
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