Originally Posted by Thorgrim Because Clinton isn't going to stop having sex, and he's trailed as a private citizen now, the paparizzi would LOVE a big story about Clinton having another affair So he's fucking Hillary, and he's the kind of guy that I think once he's having sex with ...
08-22-2007, 01:09 AM
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| Originally Posted by Thorgrim Maybe you're right. 
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08-22-2007, 10:03 AM
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| no es mi culpa  Independent Beantown
| Originally Posted by Joe_Cool a better person for having no confidence in herself and staying with someone that treated her like shit?
that's what makes me believe she stayed with him for political reasons.
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08-22-2007, 10:06 AM
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| no es mi culpa Independent Beantown
| Originally Posted by nbiggershaft i actually liked Bill Clinton.
 didn't have an opinion on Hilliary until that whole mess happened. | ||||
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08-22-2007, 01:37 PM
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| Originally Posted by Linzyhop I agree that that's probably the case.
But a lack of confidence isn't the only alternative explanation. My wife cheated on me and left, and there was a long time when I would have taken her back if she had shown remorse and asked. Not out of a lack of confidence or self-esteem (believe me, both my confidence and my self-esteem are more than adequate  ), but because I loved her and would have forgiven her. And she wasn't even president. Now I'm not saying that's why they stayed together. I'm just saying that it's really not our place to judge the circumstances of their marriage. This business of defending Clintons is making my botulism act up. I think I should stop now. | ||||
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08-22-2007, 01:50 PM
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| Originally Posted by Linzyhop Most relationships involve infidelity at some point, I doubt most would agree with you hard stance on it.
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08-22-2007, 02:33 PM
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| Banned - Self Imposed  Progressive Philadelphia, PA
| Originally Posted by nbiggershaft Exactly, if we took results of people who had a fiance or spouse, the number of comments would swing the other way
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08-22-2007, 02:35 PM
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| no es mi culpa Independent Beantown
| Originally Posted by nbiggershaft i just believe in mutual respect and trust in a relationship. cheating on someone violates that trust, and without it, you have no relationship.
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08-22-2007, 02:46 PM
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| Banned - Self Imposed Progressive Philadelphia, PA
| Originally Posted by Linzyhop it violates part of the trust, you don't completely lose faith in the entire person...unless you're really strict or have a shallow relationship
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08-22-2007, 02:47 PM
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| I wonder Independent San Antonio, Texas
| I gave her credit for staying with her marriage, but that said I still have strong reservations about her being the next president. I think like her husband with Nafta she will be to close to big business and not think of how that, and trade with China, and other things are hurting the average working man. I know she will selling the farm to the political correct folks that is a given. I will be watching her though like the rest so I will know who I want to vote for. | ||||
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08-22-2007, 02:56 PM
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| Originally Posted by Linzyhop I, and I think everyone I know has had the, I won't stay with anyone who cheats on me philiosophy. But that all changes in a really meaningful relationship.
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08-22-2007, 03:05 PM
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| Originally Posted by Thorgrim Nonsense. Marital infidelity is a big deal. Anybody who says otherwise either has never experienced it, or... well, let's just say I don't think highly of them.
If you can forgive it, then good for you. But there's no reason why you should feel obligated to. | ||||
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08-22-2007, 03:05 PM
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| Originally Posted by nbiggershaft No, it really doesn't.
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08-22-2007, 03:20 PM
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| I wonder Independent San Antonio, Texas
| Originally Posted by Joe_Cool No doubt that Marital infidelity is a big deal especially before you are married and newly married, but it is always a big deal. It is hell for the people involved because that is just the way that most of us are. People really never forgive and it usually hurts the marriage forever but life is full of hard knocks, I know you have heard that one before, but it is true and sometimes we get over them and sometimes we don't.
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08-22-2007, 03:21 PM
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| no es mi culpa Independent Beantown
| Originally Posted by nbiggershaft cheating wouldn't occur in a "really meaningful relationship".
if it's so meaningful, why would one person stray? | ||||
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08-22-2007, 03:25 PM
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| ipsa Scientia Potestas est  Pragmatist North Carolina
| I hate how people feel they have some right to judge the decisions other people make about their personal lives that are none of their business Newsflash, other people's morality, feelings about situations / ability to deal with problems that arise in a relationship is potentially different than yours, leave them to their business and stop caring so much. | ||||
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08-22-2007, 03:28 PM
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| Banned - Self Imposed Progressive Philadelphia, PA
| Originally Posted by Linzyhop Because we're human and humans make mistakes...if that was the one big screwup in their life...there's no reason you can't try and rebuild the relationship...unless it wasn't that close to begin with...
A lot of people get married for the wrong reasons, in those cases, I can understand why they'd be quick to divorce over a mistake | ||||
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08-22-2007, 03:35 PM
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| Originally Posted by motivez Hillary has, to her credit, neither flaunted nor distanced herself from her marriage. She has kept it a non-issue (as she should).
BUT, public figures open themselves to judgments on their morality and personal views. Morality is a valid part of the decision when choosing a leader. But again, to her credit, Hillary has kept her private life private, and hasn't made herself into a target for moral judgments. I still despise her and would never, ever want to see her as president. But she does conduct herself well. | ||||
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08-22-2007, 03:43 PM
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| Originally Posted by Thorgrim Having sex with a woman/man other than your wife/husband isn't a "mistake". You don't accidentally trip and fall, and suddenly find yourself involuntarily having sex. It's a deliberate choice.
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08-22-2007, 04:14 PM
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| Banned - Self Imposed Progressive Philadelphia, PA
| Originally Posted by Joe_Cool Choices can be mistakes...
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08-22-2007, 04:46 PM
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| no es mi culpa Independent Beantown
| Originally Posted by Thorgrim those types of mistakes are not something I could forgive.
cheating is just too damned disrespectful to forgive, especially as openly and recurring as much as she has seen. | ||||
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