Clinton, McCain split on Iraq pullout

[Ron Burgundy]

AP - New military tactics in Iraq are working but the best way to honor U.S. soldiers is "by beginning to bring them home," Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton told war veterans Monday.

Clinton, seeking the Democratic nomination for president, praised the work that soldiers have done in Iraq but described the government there as "on vacation," leaving American troops in the middle of a sectarian war.

Later the Veterans of Foreign Wars were told by Sen. John McCain, who is seeking the GOP nomination, that withdrawing from Iraq would be a historic mistake — far worse than previous U.S. missteps in the country.

McCain said he understands that Americans are "sick and tired" of the war, which he said hasn't gone well. Still, he said Gen. David Petraeus and other military leaders deserve patience.

Petraeus, the U.S. commander who will report to Congress on progress in Iraq next month, told the group that in some areas, partnerships between coalition forces and Iraqi soldiers are "quite robust." He also said that Iraqi losses have been three times those suffered by the U.S.-led coalition.

Clinton and McCain spoke to hundreds of members of the VFW, which is holding its annual convention in Kansas City. On Tuesday, Democratic candidate Barack Obama and former GOP Sen. Fred Thompson are to speak. President Bush arrives Wednesday.

The hall where the candidates spoke can seat 6,000 people, and both Clinton and McCain drew about half that for their late-morning speeches. The crowd was mostly friendly to Clinton and offered polite applause throughout her speech. McCain, a former Vietnam War prisoner of war, received a warmer reception — and louder applause during his remarks.

Clinton said she wanted to restore America's image abroad.

"People have to root for America," she said. "They have to want to be on our side."

In Iraq, she said, the government must take responsibility for itself and its people.

"I do not think the Iraqis are ready to do what they have to do for themselves yet," she said. "I think it is unacceptable for our troops to be caught in the crossfire of a sectarian civil war while the Iraqi government is on vacation."

Clinton said new tactics have brought some success against insurgents, particularly in Iraq's Anbar province.

"It's working. We're just years too late in changing our tactics," she said. "We can't ever let that happen again. We can't be fighting the last war. We have to keep preparing to fight the new war."

McCain said that pulling out of Iraq would empower al-Qaida and Iran and unleash a "full-scale civil war" in Iraq.

He drew applause when he said, "As long as we have a chance to succeed, we must try to succeed."

Later, he said, "We're starting to succeed, and I think we're seeing some shift in public opinion."

source: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070820/ap_po/candidates_iraq [link]

[dcfitz]

It seems to me that if Sen. Clinton wants to restore the American image abroad, then she should consider we must win the war thru both military and polical means. There is no such thing as a heroic war, and it is by far the worths way to solve a solution to a problem, but once you commit, that comitment must be completed or you loose creditability.

[motivez]

Interesting point, but most of the world is against the war, so staying there to complete a task doesn't win us any points with them

Considering that the Iraqi's appear unwilling to do what's needed to fight for their freedom it doesn't make much sense to keep sacrificing American lives and dollars for a cause they aren't very interested in.