Far left democrats meet with Syrian leaders but cold shoulder Columbia? - Page 3

JaJae · 08-25-2007, 02:41 PM

Originally Posted by Donkey®

Pelosi to take message from Jerusalem to Syria / Israel says it will agree to peace talks if Damascus renounces terror

There is nothing to prove that Pelosi said ANYTHING but the message she was given to pass on. Period.

Sfgate skewing the facts on Pelosi's trip ... how quaint. This article is once again from before her trip to Syria and doesn't discuss what she actually said. It wasn't the message she delivered, nor is it a full representation of what happened. When she asked Israel for a message they told her to not talk about issues between them and Syria. She keep pressuring and finally they said something along the lines of we won't negotiate while they're still acting like terrorists. Pelosi then gets up in front of Syria and says "I just got back from Israel and they want peace!!! Ok now take a picture of my good side, thanks!"

Thorgrim · 08-25-2007, 02:44 PM

Originally Posted by JaJae

Only Republicans? The Washington Post editorial board attacked her. A lot of people who saw the results of what she did attacked her for it.

The Washington Post board is right wing, their own columnists label them such:

Crooks and Liars » WaPo’s Robinson Smacks WaPo Editorial Page Over Pelosi Coverage

Not to mention the WP's editorial board's double standard on Clinton and Libby...viciously attacking one and coming to the defense of the other...they have a notorious reputation and belong in the Washington Times, not the Post

Think Progress » Washington Post Editorial Board Spits Out Baseless Right-Wing Talking Points On Libby Verdict

Donkey® · 08-25-2007, 02:45 PM

Originally Posted by JaJae

The Aftermath of Pelosi's Diplomacy

Editorials aren't evidence of anything. And again, let's see where Pelosi gave the wrong message to Syria from Israel. What happens to the dissidents now was happening before her trip, so nothing has changed.

Thorgrim · 08-25-2007, 02:45 PM

Originally Posted by JaJae

Sfgate skewing the facts on Pelosi's trip ... how quaint. This article is once again from before her trip to Syria and doesn't discuss what she actually said. It wasn't the message she delivered, nor is it a full representation of what happened. When she asked Israel for a message they told her to not talk about issues between them and Syria. She keep pressuring and finally they said something along the lines of we won't negotiate while they're still acting like terrorists. Pelosi then gets up in front of Syria and says "I just got back from Israel and they want peace!!! Ok now take a picture of my good side, thanks!"

I could have sworn right after the trip, Israel told Syria they wanted peace talks...?

Am i missing something here?

Donkey® · 08-25-2007, 02:47 PM

Originally Posted by JaJae

Sfgate skewing the facts on Pelosi's trip ... how quaint. This article is once again from before her trip to Syria and doesn't discuss what she actually said. It wasn't the message she delivered, nor is it a full representation of what happened. When she asked Israel for a message they told her to not talk about issues between them and Syria. She keep pressuring and finally they said something along the lines of we won't negotiate while they're still acting like terrorists. Pelosi then gets up in front of Syria and says "I just got back from Israel and they want peace!!! Ok now take a picture of my good side, thanks!"

Wrong. She did not say that AT ALL.

Originally Posted by interview

SIEGEL: [A]ccording to the Israeli newspaper Ha'aretz the other day, the statement from the prime minister's office, from Prime Minister Ehud Olmert's office, said that Olmert had told Pelosi that Israel continued to regard Syria, quote, "as part of the axis of evil and a party encouraging terrorism in the entire Middle East." If I heard you, you didn't -- you don't recall him saying that in you conversation.

PELOSI: No. What he told us was that the thrust of his statement is that Israel is prepared to go to the negotiating table; we are not preparing for war -- that was the important part of it -- we are not preparing for war; we're prepared to go to negotiation when Syria takes steps to stop its support of Hamas and Hezbollah.

SIEGEL: And you say that's what you told Syrian President Assad?

PELOSI: Well, not only just I; Tom Lantos, Henry Waxman, two strong supporters of Israel who -- we had made a very direct message to the president on that score.

Again...do you have proof she didn't give the message the Israeli's gave her?

Donkey® · 08-25-2007, 02:50 PM

Media Matters - Despite evidence to the contrary, Angle claimed Pelosi didn't press Syria on "serious issues"

Originally Posted by article

* An April 5 Los Angeles Times article reported that "Pelosi emerged from the meeting with Assad saying in a televised news conference that she had pressed him on Syria's support for the Islamic militant group Hamas and Lebanon's Hezbollah militia, both of which are on the U.S. State Department's list of terrorist groups."
* An April 4 Washington Post article on Pelosi's meeting with Assad reported that when Pelosi said "she conveyed a message" from the Israeli government that it "was ready to resume peace talks," she also said that she "reiterated U.S. demands that Syria stop the passage of insurgents across Syria into Iraq and stop supporting militant groups." Also, according to reporter Anthony Shadid, she said she "brought up ... the seizure of Israeli soldiers by Hamas and Hezbollah."
* An April 5 New York Times article reported that, according to members of Pelosi's delegation, they had "press[ed] the president [Assad] over Syria's support for militant groups and insist[ed] that his government block militants seeking to cross into Iraq and join insurgents there." The article also reported that Rep. Tom Lantos (D-CA), chairman of the House Foreign Relations Committee and one of the members of Pelosi's delegation, "said he asked Mr. Assad how someone 'of his intelligence and knowledge of the world could have common cause with President Ahmadinejad of Iran, who has denied the Holocaust and calls for the elimination of Israel.' "

Further, both Pelosi and the entire delegation -- which included five Democrats in addition to Pelosi, as well as one Republican, Rep. David Hobson (OH) -- issued statements regarding what the delegation said during its meeting with Assad. The delegation's statement said that it had raised the following issues with Assad:

* "Syria must also stop supporting terrorist organizations such as Hamas and Hezbollah, and must end any interference in Lebanon's internal affairs."
* "We conveyed to him Prime Minister's Olmert's overture for peace talks when Syria openly takes steps to stop supporting terrorism."
* "We requested Assad's help in freeing missing and kidnapped Israeli soldiers including: Gilad Shalit; Ehud Goldwasser; Eldad Regev; Guy Hever; Zachary Baumel; Tzvi Feldman; Yehuda Katz; and Ron Arad. And we requested the return of the remains of Eli Cohen for burial in Israel."

The delegation also stated that it "met with opposition leaders and representatives of families of dissidents" in Damascus.

Seems quite clear to me. It is nothing but a right wing attack with NO evidence.

Dumpy Dooby · 08-25-2007, 04:11 PM

Originally Posted by Donkey®

That is patently false. She is the most powerful woman in the history of the US government. (not counting first ladies). She was elected to Speaker of the House. That directly contradicts your whole meaningless "she's stupid" comment.

That's a bit of a non-sequitor. Just because someone sits in a higher seat, that doesn't mean that they are necessarily smarter. His claim was that she's not that smart. Your retort was that she sits in a high chair. By that logic, we can deduce that George Bush the smartest man in the United States because he's sitting in the highest seat.

Donkey® · 08-25-2007, 06:29 PM

Originally Posted by Dumpy Dooby

That's a bit of a non-sequitor. Just because someone sits in a higher seat, that doesn't mean that they are necessarily smarter. His claim was that she's not that smart. Your retort was that she sits in a high chair. By that logic, we can deduce that George Bush the smartest man in the United States because he's sitting in the highest seat.

It takes a little bit of brains to climb the ladder in this country. I credit Bush for climbing to the top...that means he's got some brains to either hire the right people to help him do that or figure out strategy to do it himself. Pelosi falls along the same lines.

ATCPRO77 · 08-25-2007, 07:01 PM

Maybe someone can educate me on this. WHAT THE HELL IS SHE DOING IN SYRIA WHEN THERE ARE SO MANY PROBLEMS HERE IN THE STATES SHE SHOULD BE FOCUSING ON? It makes no sense. Congress has their lowest approval ratings EVER and this is exactly why.They obviously don't know thetir jobs. Anyone can throw links around. Frankly I don't understand how some of you have time to sit on this site all day and do it. No, I am NOT singling anyone out, so chill. Don't you people work? lol But back to the point: how many of these links are bogus? This country was founded on free thinking. Lets use our heads here and think for ourselves. Fuck ALL the partisan bullshit. I don't give a damn who gets the White House next year as long as they can run this country like I as an American want it run. I certainly don't agree with everything Bush has done. But Pelosi is a moron.

Thorgrim · 08-25-2007, 07:20 PM