What is wrong with this country v.wontvoteforamormonorawoman

6SpeedTA95 · 08-25-2007, 01:35 PM

I have to ask what is wrong with this country? Are we so shortsightend and narrow minded that we can not vote for someone based on how well they do a job?

For example, there have been several polls out thie past few weeks by NBC/WSJ, CNN/Gallup and Fox Opinion Dynamics.

Basically they range from a low of 39% to a high of 43% would NEVER vote for Hillary. There have also been polls in the past that show about 1/3 of American voters would NOT vote for a woman.

Also the past few weeks there's been several polls out regarding Romney. 41 to 44% say they would NEVER vote for Romney. The VAST majority of those say it is because he's mormon.

What does someone being Mormon, Muslim, Catholic, man, woman, black or white have to do with the job of running this country? I just do not get it. I wont be voting for Hillary unless the republicans nominate some dumbshit but even then I'd probably vote third party but its not because she's a woman its because I disagree with her politically.

I do not understand this type of thinking but it really really bothers me, I guess I heard a lot about it this week from the polls of the past few weeks but man this is ridiculous IMO.

Donkey® · 08-25-2007, 01:58 PM

Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95

I have to ask what is wrong with this country? Are we so shortsightend and narrow minded that we can not vote for someone based on how well they do a job?

For example, there have been several polls out thie past few weeks by NBC/WSJ, CNN/Gallup and Fox Opinion Dynamics.

Basically they range from a low of 39% to a high of 43% would NEVER vote for Hillary. There have also been polls in the past that show about 1/3 of American voters would NOT vote for a woman.

Also the past few weeks there's been several polls out regarding Romney. 41 to 44% say they would NEVER vote for Romney. The VAST majority of those say it is because he's mormon.

What does someone being Mormon, Muslim, Catholic, man, woman, black or white have to do with the job of running this country? I just do not get it. I wont be voting for Hillary unless the republicans nominate some dumbshit but even then I'd probably vote third party but its not because she's a woman its because I disagree with her politically.

I do not understand this type of thinking but it really really bothers me, I guess I heard a lot about it this week from the polls of the past few weeks but man this is ridiculous IMO.

It's hundreds of years of history. Look back at all the people in power and it's pretty much a whitewash...of white males. Look at the Republican party...not many blacks and women in that club. People aren't quick to change...it's stupid but whatever.

Thorgrim · 08-25-2007, 02:12 PM

Well the mormon thing is because the non-religious think it's the cookiest shit out there...and religious think they are frauds of christianity

I have a die-hard conservative friend of a relative who over thanksgiving mentioned she'd never vote for Romney because he was a Mormon and they're "Pagans"

However my family is a mix of German Catholics and Anglican English so we're ridiculously snobby about other cultures and viewpoints

6SpeedTA95 · 08-25-2007, 02:14 PM

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

Well the mormon thing is because the non-religious think it's the cookiest shit out there...and religious think they are frauds of christianity

I have a die-hard conservative friend of a relative who over thanksgiving mentioned she'd never vote for Romney because he was a Mormon and they're "Pagans"

However my family is a mix of German Catholics and Anglican English so we're ridiculously snobby about other cultures and viewpoints

Well its ok to disagree with someone's religion but it has really nothing to do with their ability to run the country. We could really get an idiot in there just to avoid someone we're "not comfortable" with but who may do a fantastic job, make sense?

Thorgrim · 08-25-2007, 02:15 PM

The Hillary thing is a matter of what voters tell themselves

"Oh I'm for Dodd and I'd NEVER vote for Hillary" yeah well wait until Nov 08 comes around and see what you say

A lot of Kossacks went "I'd never even CONSIDER Hillary" but she's done so well in the debates and in her initial campaign that a lot of people who NEVER would vote for her are thinking twice

Notice she's beating even Rudy in a lot of polls, crushing the others, and winning states like Kentucky, Virginia, Missouri, Ohio...etc

Wait until her campaign machine is in full war mode, and wait until the religious right comes out and tries to brand her as the new satan...people reel from that kind of negativity, it'll be like 1996

Thorgrim · 08-25-2007, 02:17 PM

Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95

Well its ok to disagree with someone's religion but it has really nothing to do with their ability to run the country. We could really get an idiot in there just to avoid someone we're "not comfortable" with but who may do a fantastic job, make sense?

Remember you had a Republican in Congress flip out that a Hindu prayer was offered instead of the usual christian or jewish

You've had conservatives question whether its fit for a Muslim to be a Congressman (which he is...)

So religion does often decide the vote, again, a friend in college told me that whether a candidate is catholic or not "tells me a lot about what kind of person they'd be as a president"

Don't ask me, I don't pick political fights in real life

JaJae · 08-25-2007, 03:26 PM

From what I've heard on radio call-ins, not that that's the definitive source, a very large percentage of people who wouldn't vote for a woman are actually women themselves. And they seem more gung-ho about that ideology than males. Any polls disclose the gender of people making those claims?

I also think a lot of people wouldn't vote for someone heavy into religion. People perceive Mormons as being heavy into their religion. I don't think it matters what the religion is, just the perception of someone being heavy into religion turns off a lot of voters.

Donkey® · 08-25-2007, 03:28 PM

Originally Posted by JaJae

From what I've heard on radio call-ins, not that that's the definitive source, a very large percentage of people who wouldn't vote for a woman are actually women themselves. And they seem more gung-ho about that ideology than males. Any polls disclose the gender of people making those claims?

I haven't seen that at all. A lot of women are supporting Hillary. I guess it would depend on what radio shows you're listening to. Of course Rush's audience would say things like that. And it shows that these people are just not voting for Hillary because she's a woman...which makes no sense.

JaJae · 08-25-2007, 03:32 PM

Originally Posted by Donkey®

I haven't seen that at all. A lot of women are supporting Hillary. I guess it would depend on what radio shows you're listening to. Of course Rush's audience would say things like that. And it shows that these people are just not voting for Hillary because she's a woman...which makes no sense.

I've never listened to Rush. The radio show that talks about this the most is fairly liberal in most aspects. While a lot of women would vote for a woman for feminism's sake, it seems a lot of women don't think it's a good idea.

Thorgrim · 08-25-2007, 03:33 PM

If the "woman don't support woman" myth were true, we wouldn't have so many female governors, senators, etc

I believe I saw somewhere that their success rate is higher than men, in the past few elections

JaJae · 08-25-2007, 03:38 PM

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

If the "woman don't support woman" myth were true, we wouldn't have so many female governors, senators, etc

I believe I saw somewhere that their success rate is higher than men, in the past few elections

It's quite possible. I believe I've read somewhere that younger women tend to be more willing to vote for female politicians than older women. I don't know where the cut-off was of being more willing and less willing to vote was though. Which could be cultural, but then again as people age they also tend to become more conservative in political views.

Thorgrim · 08-25-2007, 03:46 PM

I think it might be an age thing, my late 20s GOP friends that are women have all told me they'd vote for Hillary because she's a strong woman...(not just a woman)

SoFlaJDM · 08-25-2007, 03:51 PM

Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95

We could really get an idiot in there

that's not working out so well either

Diesel66 · 08-25-2007, 08:59 PM

Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95

Well its ok to disagree with someone's religion but it has really nothing to do with their ability to run the country.

When you believe his religion is a cult/fraud, then yes it matters. Or his religious views are FAR from society's, then yes it matters.

Look how hard it is for Catholics to get elected. People think he would listen to the Pope over the Constitution/Congress/People. And that is a regular, established religion with very few quirks. Mormanism is neither.

6SpeedTA95 · 08-25-2007, 10:19 PM

Originally Posted by Diesel66

When you believe his religion is a cult/fraud, then yes it matters. Or his religious views are FAR from society's, then yes it matters.

Look how hard it is for Catholics to get elected. People think he would listen to the Pope over the Constitution/Congress/People. And that is a regular, established religion with very few quirks. Mormanism is neither.

I think his political record clearly shows that he will govern responsibly without allowing his religion to cast an undue shadow on his actions.

Thorgrim · 08-25-2007, 11:11 PM

Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95

I think his political record clearly shows that he will govern responsibly without allowing his religion to cast an undue shadow on his actions.

I think his political record shows he's an empty suit

Dumpy Dooby · 08-26-2007, 05:49 PM

Originally Posted by Donkey®

It's hundreds of years of history. Look back at all the people in power and it's pretty much a whitewash...of white males. Look at the Republican party...not many blacks and women in that club. People aren't quick to change...it's stupid but whatever.

If we're discussing history, then historically, the Republican party has led the fight for equality. Republicans led the fight for women's suffrage. Republicans lead the Civil Rights movement. Republicans were freeing their slaves long before the Democrats during the 19th century.

I would say it's a bit unfair to only attack Republicans when you're discussing the history of prejudices. Remember, it was the Democratic south that was fighting against the Civil Rights movement just over a generation ago.

thomez · 08-26-2007, 06:14 PM

Originally Posted by Dumpy Dooby

If we're discussing history, then historically, the Republican party has led the fight for equality. Republicans led the fight for women's suffrage. Republicans lead the Civil Rights movement. Republicans were freeing their slaves long before the Democrats during the 19th century.

I would say it's a bit unfair to only attack Republicans when you're discussing the history of prejudices. Remember, it was the Democratic south that was fighting against the Civil Rights movement just over a generation ago.

I thought it was pretty well understood that the parties have not been consistent in their views for the past 200 years, and in fact pretty much flip flopped completely in the middle of the 20th century.

Dumpy Dooby · 08-26-2007, 06:17 PM

Originally Posted by thomez

I thought it was pretty well understood that the parties have not been consistent in their views for the past 200 years, and in fact pretty much flip flopped completely in the middle of the 20th century.

That was my point.