Government's 50 Greatest Endeavors what the fuck is brookings thinking 1. Rebuild Europe After World War II I'll give them that... 2. Expand the Right to Vote 3. Promote Equal Access to Public Accommodations 4. Reduce Disease Possibly 5. Reduce Workplace Discrimination 6. Ensure Safe Food and Drinking Water Uh, ...
08-24-2006, 05:30 PM
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| government's 50 greatest endeavors Government's 50 Greatest Endeavors  what the fuck is brookings thinking1. Rebuild Europe After World War II I'll give them that... 2. Expand the Right to Vote  3. Promote Equal Access to Public Accommodations 4. Reduce Disease Possibly 5. Reduce Workplace Discrimination 6. Ensure Safe Food and Drinking Water Uh, local gov't 7. Strengthen the Nation's Highway System Give them that 8. Increase Older Americans' Access to Health Care 9. Reduce the Federal Budget Deficit 10. Promote Financial Security in Retirement 11. Improve Water Quality Uh, didn't they already claim that12. Support Veterans' Readjustment and Training 13. Promote Scientific and Technological Research 14. Contain Communism 15. Improve Air Quality 16. Enhance Workplace Safety 17. Strengthen the National Defense 18. Reduce Hunger and Improve Nutrition 19. Increase Access to Post-Secondary Education 20. Enhance Consumer Protection 21. Expand Foreign Markets for US Goods 22. Increase the Stability of Financial Institutions and Markets 23. Increase Arms Control and Disarmament 24. Protect the Wilderness 25. Promote Space Exploration 26. Protect Endangered Species 27. Reduce Exposure to Hazardous Waste ok 28. Enhance the Nation's Health Care Infrastructure wasn't this already claimed as well29. Maintain Stability in the Persian Gulf 30. Expand Home Ownership yeah considering defaults are up 70%31. Increase International Economic Development 32. Ensure an Adequate Energy Supply yeah $3 gallon33. Strengthen the Nation's Airways System 34. Increase Low-Income Families' Access to Health Care here is health care, again35. Improve Elementary and Secondary Education yeah, falling against othernations constantly36. Reduce Crime 37. Advance Human Rights and Provide Humanitarian Relief , Rwanda.38. Make Government More Transparent to the Public yeah wiretapping39. Stabilize Agricultural Prices 40. Provide Assistance for the Working Poor yeah welfare has done wonders41. Improve Government Performance 42. Reform Welfare 43. Expand Job Training and Placement 44. Increase Market Competition maybe among major defense contractors45. Increase the Supply of Low-Income Housing yeah so people like me can't afford housing46. Develop and Renew Impoverished Communities 47. Improve Mass Transportation 48. Reform Taxes 49. Control Immigration and the best of all..... 50. Devolve Responsibility to the States | ||||
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08-24-2006, 05:34 PM
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| Better Dead than Red  Democrat "My friends, we’ve got them just where we want them.”
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08-24-2006, 05:36 PM
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| For those about to rock...  libertarian Atlanta, GA
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08-24-2006, 06:08 PM
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08-24-2006, 06:39 PM
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| ipsa Scientia Potestas est  Pragmatist North Carolina
| I can agree with you on some of them like immigration and the spying shit.. but, what's your about with most of them? | ||||
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08-24-2006, 09:39 PM
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| Administrator  libertarian Oklahoma
| Brookings is known to have a liberal slant. They're still a good site though IMO and ahve some very bright individuals that do work for them. As for the list its kinda | ||||
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08-24-2006, 10:12 PM
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| ipsa Scientia Potestas est Pragmatist North Carolina
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08-24-2006, 10:47 PM
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| Originally Posted by hsmith 
1) Yes we rebuilt Europe I agree 2) The right to vote should be extended to all adult citizens, the government merely lifted its age old discriminatory practices because of the ouctry from THE PEOPLE! 3) Promoted equal access to public accomadations after decades of failed government policy. Again the government correcting previous errors. 4) I'll go along with reduce disease. 5) Reduce workplace discrimination by legalizing it through AA? Ummm riiiiight...discrimination for and against minorities still exists its easy to usurp rules when you want to. There's less discrimination because people wised up from the age old stigmas attatched to minorities. 6) Safe food and drinking water for the most part is a local government issue and something that the private sector could probably do better. 7) Strenghtening infrastructure? Absolutely I agree with this. 8) Increasing access to healthcare by making it more expensive for those that can afford it. Horrible practice for the most part. 9) Federal budget deficit? That wouldnt exist if the government hadn't fucked up in the first place, this is a total joke on this list. 10) They're promoting redistribution of wealth and how not to plan with the way they've treated social security, another complete joke for this list. 11) This falls under the food/water 12) I dont really have a problem with supporting veterens reassimilation into society but I dont think they do a very good job of it. 13) They tend to promote research in certain areas I'll give them that, but its not the government that comes up with breakthroughs its private sector businesses. Look at NASA, much of their work is sent out to the companies that can make hte best use of our tax dollars. 14) The US did a good job of defeating communism. 15) I understand the purpose of these regulations, in some cases they have improved air quality, the EPA is still a bloated ineffecient government entity. 16) Its more like a drain on employers. In the very early days they did do some good things with workplace safety and worker environments. The free market takes care of that for the most part not governmental agencies. 17) I think the US has done a very good job overall with defense. 18) This shit again? Already been covered... 19) In some respects they have increased access to college education which is a good thing, however, they need to allow market forces to dictate this more so than the feel good things they get to say in election years. 20) Enhance consumer protection? They typically dont get involved till a problem is found by the company or consumers in question. yea right, protection my ass...more like reaction.21) the government has done only a few things right in this category, see NAFTA. The government tends to do more harm in this area than good. Although starting with Reagan and again with Clinton things got much better in this reguard.22) Increased the stability of financial markets? I'd like to know how. I'm not against the fed but they definately haven't increased the stability. The sweeping hadn of government causes problems in our markets on a regular basis, see the housing downturn we're in now. 23) Umm, not really, we bankrupt the soviet union we didn't disarm them. 24) Protect the wilderness, there's something worth while. We all pay drastically high prices for energy so they can't put in a few 20ft x 20ft squares to use our OWN resources...yea real fucking good. 25) I have to agree on space exploration, this was a great spur to the private sector and we're still reaping the benefits. 26) I think we should try to protect endangered species. 27) Have they reduced our exposure to hazerdous waste? 28) Enhanced healthcare infrstructure? government has been one of the biggest obstacles to increasing healthcare infrastructure due to a whole host of ways they interfere with the market. 29) Stability in the Persian Gulf? umm that hasn't ever happened. 30) Expanded home ownership by interfering with the market in a whole host of ways, bringing to an end an artificial home boom brought about by poor government fiscal policy and interference into the banking markets. 31) The private sector has been trying to do this for decades its the government tahts slowed it down. 32) Riiiight, they've done nothing but hamper efforts in this area. Thats why we're importing 2/3 of our oil and more and more LNG each day despite having 300 years worth of NG here 33) I dont see how they strengthened the airlines. 34) Health care again, already covered it. 35) I think our education system is better than it gets credit for but the government seems to do nothing but make things worse, they should butt out for a while. 36) Actually crime has been steadily falling, was it due to government? Ehhh maybe, but if it was it was on a local level. 37) In some cases yes, but they're sure getting a lot of shit over that in Iraq right now. 38) Government isn't transparent and dunno that it ever will be. 39) This is one of the biggest documented failures in government history. It's a huge contributor to the great depression and a big issue with the US breaking into other markets with other goods due to poor policy on this issue.40) Create incentives to remain poor... yeah thats a great thing  welfare reform in 1996 was actually a great thing but the system still has a long ways to go. 41) Umm what? 42) Welfare reform of 1996 = great thing, still not perfect, a long ways to go and its already been mentioned. 43) I have yet to see any credible evidence for this. Most evidence points to it being ineffecient and not properly administered. 44) Increased market competition? How? when? where? Sorry I'm not seeing it. 45) They've artificially lifted demand for low income housing making it not so low in terms of pricing. This has isolated many "middle class" from owning homes. Not to mention it drives down surrounding property values and tends to stagnate prices in the areas where "low income housing" benefits from governmental supports. 46) They've already covered this by mentioning it in several different ways. 47) If by mass transportation they mean highways then yes. Otherwise, no. 48) Tax reform? yeah sometimes it goes great, othertimes it goes piss poor. So this is pretty ridiculous. How big is our tax code now? 11ty billion pages? 49) Yeah immigration is under control. Wide open borders in both spots and there's 12 to 15 million illegals here right now. Yeah htats good. 50) This is self explantory How's this motivez?  | ||||
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| Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95 To use that logic would deny every government action passed that had public support behind it
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Of course, we could have balanced the budget during WW2 and let the Nazis rule the world...great plan
 Are you against federal stem cell research as well? There are some projects simply too huge and costly for corporations to gamble on...
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| Originally Posted by Thorgrim [/quote]
Minority wages would have skyrocketed anyways. I never said they were meaningless nice try though. Breaking news I dont CARE about your grandmother. Thats not my job. I care about MY grandmothers. If the family can't afford to support them you shouldn't have to, PERIOD. Where did I say WWII was a fuckup? Simple: I didn't  Who said anything about balancing the budget during WWII? Not I. Yes because SOOO many elderly would be dieing alone in the streets I like the GI Bill but it has issues. No I'm not against stem cell research and I already said the space program was a great endeavor. Because the market has no way of countering these forces? A great crime against the working class? Providing jobs so families can eat is now a crime? dude the days of widespread workplace abuse are gone, they'd stay gone and businesses would be more effecient if they didn't have agencies like OSHA coming in every few months. You realize the government the government is reactive in this reguard? Shit look at the new warnings in ritalin. Only a decade late and after NUMEROUS private studies showed it to be unsafe. Pull out a text book, an economics book, a trade book, anything that covers US policy with reguard to trade. We've gone through several drastic swings in each direction and we have yet to become a truly open nation when it comes to trade. Why? Government barriers. Bankruns and gold problems were a result of poor fiscal policy. AFTER the federal reserve was created. Nice try, how about pulling out a damn history book.Slowing does not mean REDUCING. I love TR and am glad he set aside national parks, but when there's natural resources we can get without disturbing the parks we need to be allowed to do that. | ||||
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| Banned - Self Imposed Progressive Philadelphia, PA
| Minority wages would have skyrocketed anyways. I never said they were meaningless nice try though. Breaking news I dont CARE about your grandmother. Thats not my job. I care about MY grandmothers. If the family can't afford to support them you shouldn't have to, PERIOD. Where did I say WWII was a fuckup? Simple: I didn't Who said anything about balancing the budget during WWII? Not I. Yes because SOOO many elderly would be dieing alone in the streets I like the GI Bill but it has issues. No I'm not against stem cell research and I already said the space program was a great endeavor. Because the market has no way of countering these forces? A great crime against the working class? Providing jobs so families can eat is now a crime? dude the days of widespread workplace abuse are gone, they'd stay gone and businesses would be more effecient if they didn't have agencies like OSHA coming in every few months. You realize the government the government is reactive in this reguard? Shit look at the new warnings in ritalin. Only a decade late and after NUMEROUS private studies showed it to be unsafe. Pull out a text book, an economics book, a trade book, anything that covers US policy with reguard to trade. We've gone through several drastic swings in each direction and we have yet to become a truly open nation when it comes to trade. Why? Government barriers. Bankruns and gold problems were a result of poor fiscal policy. AFTER the federal reserve was created. Nice try, how about pulling out a damn history book.Slowing does not mean REDUCING. I love TR and am glad he set aside national parks, but when there's natural resources we can get without disturbing the parks we need to be allowed to do that.[/quote] Why exactly would minority wages change more dramatically from 1960-1980 than any other 20 year period in our nations history? Then you just spout out the worldview that you don't care about fellow citizens, only your family, fortunately others have more civic pride You can't call all these debts fuckups when all of them were wars until Reagan and the Republicans took power Again, no credit given to government actions that stopped the work abuses, only complaints that no one is implenting your theory that we don't need safety regulations anymore So the company that made ritalin conducted its own studies, found it to be unsafe, and pulled it from the market? Free trade is one issue, opening trade relations is another...the US government has opened trade relations for american consumers to benefit from...I mean everyone knows about Perry right? When did I say the federal reserve in and of itself solved the problem? Who got off the gold standard? The government AGAINST the wishes of libertarian-minded economists, Who stopped bank runs? FDR and liberal government Nukes and nuclear plans have been deserviced across the world, thats progress, even if there are setbacks like NK and what did TR use? the powers of the federal government | ||||
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