Video and Transcript of guy pulled over by crazy-ass cop

[Ardentfrost]

It still doesn't matter if the guy was looking to get a cop in trouble. If he can find a cop that'll do what this cop did, then he's doing GOOD, not bad. Without video, I'd be more swayed to your side.

[mididoctors]

Originally Posted by Ardentfrost

It still doesn't matter if the guy was looking to get a cop in trouble. If he can find a cop that'll do what this cop did, then he's doing GOOD, not bad. Without video, I'd be more swayed to your side.

I agree looking for the confrontations to out these guys was a good thing..

takes some nerve.. far from being a piece of shit he is a small time hero in my book

Boris
London

[mididoctors]

Originally Posted by Donkey®

In THAT incident (which of course he videotaped) he was being a douche to the police...at a fucking dui checkpoint. It's obvious to me and anyone with half a brain....he's a fucking snot nosed attention seeking piece of shit who is on some kind of fucking crusade. He is the instigator. Period.

good for him

Boris
london

[Kytro]

Originally Posted by Donkey®

In THAT incident (which of course he videotaped) he was being a douche to the police...at a fucking dui checkpoint. It's obvious to me and anyone with half a brain....he's a fucking snot nosed attention seeking piece of shit who is on some kind of fucking crusade. He is the instigator. Period.

Last time I checked, you may have to follow the law and follow legal directives police give to you, but you don't have to be nice about it.

While I personally have had little interaction with the police (mostly positive) too many times the police seem to insist they are right even when they are not, and can turn nasty if you question them.

I have no sympathy for police who do not do their job fairly. Th kid may have been provoking the police, but they should be professional enough to ignore it.

[WickedLou9]

Originally Posted by Ardentfrost

It still doesn't matter if the guy was looking to get a cop in trouble. If he can find a cop that'll do what this cop did, then he's doing GOOD, not bad. Without video, I'd be more swayed to your side.

Kinda like "to catch a predator".

[Ardentfrost]

Originally Posted by WickedLou9

Kinda like "to catch a predator".

I think what they do is good, but it sucks they weren't more careful about it so that the charges would stick. They F'd up in that respect.

[DosEquis]

Originally Posted by Ardentfrost

I think what they do is good, but it sucks they weren't more careful about it so that the charges would stick. They F'd up in that respect.

I think the most important thing we take from that situation is that it has exposed a real problem. We teach kids to look both ways when crossing the street, not to take candy from strangers, and now we must include strangers on the internet. The internet creates this false anonymous feeling in both the predator and the 12 yr old girl.

Before those programs i had no idea that was a significant problem, nor the level of the problem.

[hsmith]

Originally Posted by Stylerod

I think a lot of it has to be the situations they are put into day in and day out. They are around criminals, druggies, thieves, thugs, murders, drunks and liars constantly. I think they get jaded and impatient with people (like I do here around so many Democrats ).

I'm not excusing it, I'm just saying he might be an asshole because that is what he is around all day every day just doing his job.

If someone gets to this point there needs to be a way to help them, but I don't know what kind of help would work.

Big fucking deal. You have the ability to use lethal force, you "are the law" you don't get "bad days" you are to act professional and be thankful to the law abiding tax payers that pay your salary.

there are too many stories of this shit going on and it needs to be put to an end. the "thin blue line" is real and it keeps shits like this guy on the beat violating peoples rights

he should be fired

[hsmith]

Originally Posted by Donkey®

I have a little inside scoop about the kid in this story. He is a complete and total DOUCHE. He was on my car forum (before he got permabanned) and he told us the story about when that whole "I got assaulted by an off duty cop" happened. His story was completely full of shit and that wasn't even his first run-in with the cops. He goes out SEEKING this confrontation from the police. This was no exception. I have no doubt that he planned this whole thing out. I do agree that the cop was out of line...but I also know the person involved is a total piece of shit.

Well, camera setup and all, he was looking for a confrontation with the police. but that doesn't excuse the cops actions.

he may have "baited" the cop into it, but the "officers" actions were all his own and completely unjustified. The cop had no reason to act the way that he did or pursue the kid the way he did. the kid should have been sent on his way swiftly rather than the cop grilling him.

[Stylerod]

Originally Posted by hsmith

Big fucking deal. You have the ability to use lethal force, you "are the law" you don't get "bad days" you are to act professional and be thankful to the law abiding tax payers that pay your salary.

there are too many stories of this shit going on and it needs to be put to an end. the "thin blue line" is real and it keeps shits like this guy on the beat violating peoples rights

he should be fired

I said it doesn't excuse it. It's a reason, not an excuse.

Everyone should be perfect at all times. Sometimes they aren't. Life is like that.

[Ardentfrost]

More Info:

: Missouri: Cop Website Contained Apparent Death Threat Against Video Vigilante

Missouri: Cop Website Contained Apparent Death Threat Against Video Vigilante
Unofficial website popular with Saint Louis, Missouri police contained a death threat against Brett Darrow three months before his recent encounter.

CopTalkWhen stopped by an out-of-control St. George, Missouri police officer last Friday, motorist Brett Darrow feared for his life (view story and video). It turns out, he had legitimate reason for concern. Three months ago, participants in an online forum frequented by Saint Louis law enforcement personnel threatened to harass -- and even physically harm -- Darrow.

The messages appeared on St. Louis CopTalk, a site that describes itself as a site "for the use of law enforcement officers employed by the St. Louis Police Department and their supporters in the St. Louis Metropolitan area." While it has no official ties to the city, it does allow officers to log into official police email accounts from the front page. In June of this year, Darrow had sparked outrage among the forum's members after he videotaped a disputed traffic stop involving what Darrow argued was a perfectly legal turn and what a Saint Louis police officer said was not.

In the course of researching the incident, TheNewspaper learned from an inside source about a CopTalk posting dated June 29, 2007. A user calling himself "STL_FINEST" wrote the following item, presented unedited and in full:

in reply to "Who is this terd?"
I hope this little POS punk bastard tries his little video stunt with me when I pull him over alone- and I WILL pull him over - because I will see "his gun" and place a hunk of hot lead right where it belongs.

We verified the existence of the post which, until some time around July, was publicly available here. It has been deleted. Because the CopTalk forum allows anonymous posting, only the site's administrator has the ability to confirm the identity of a poster or his status as a law enforcement official. When contacted by TheNewspaper this week, the forum owner had no comment beyond, "Sorry, the posting log I have access to only contains the most recent 300 messages, and that particular message cycled off some time ago."

Still, participants did not disavow the posting. Instead, another added, "I'm going to his house to check for parking violations." We informed Darrow of the existence of the messages, but withheld publication not wishing to interfere with an expected investigation into officers' behavior at the well-publicized traffic stops. To our knowledge, no such investigation was ever made.

CopTalk now bans discussion of Darrow's videos. A message dated September 10 reads: "We are already very much aware of Mr. Darrow and his antics. There is no need to post any of his award-winning videography here." Still, discussions of last Friday's St. George traffic stop made their way onto the site for a few hours before being removed by the administrator. One poster expressed contempt for Darrow:

"Other than CYA and a heads up why do we give this [expletive] any thought? He lives for this type of [expletive]."

Another CopTalk user referred to a discussion on the online forum AR15.com by saying:

"I have a discussion going on another board where someone is basicly [sic] calling me a liar. The retards have even invited Brett to join to tell his side of what he does."

The firearms enthusiast forum began discussing Darrow's video on September 10. At least one other message from a self-identified Saint Louis area police officer appears to condone official harassment of the twenty-year-old motorist.

"Take the kid to jail... today... tommorrow... the next day... everytime you see him out and he commits a traffic violation... tow his car and take him to jail... period. No arguing, no yelling.....nothing but the sound of cash leaving his wallet from impound fees and fines." (view thread, view saved image of full post)

Unlike the CopTalk forum, however, neither this user nor any others in a sampling we made of the nearly 2000 messages posted on the AR15.com message thread supported the actions of St. George Police Sergeant James Kuehnlein. A number immediately condemned the self-identified officer's remarks.

The evidence shows that law enforcement problems extend far beyond the tiny geographic boundaries of 1300 resident city and that Darrow's video may have wide-reaching effects. The young driver's encounters with Saint Louis area police began in March 2005 when an intoxicated, off-duty police officer threatened to kill him. Darrow escaped only to find himself arrested hours later. The city agreed to drop all charges against him on the condition that he waive his right to sue over the incident. The following year, a Saint Louis officer at a DUI roadblock said he would, "find a reason to lock you up tonight" (view video and story). This is in addition to Sergeant Kuehnlein's videotaped threat that, "we will ruin your career and life and everything else you have coming before you."

The videotape from Kuehnlein's police cruiser is currently missing and the sergeant is currently on unpaid leave. St. George Police Chief Scott Uhrig is also being investigated by city officials who say he may have failed to inform them that the State of Missouri Administrative Hearing Commission concluded that, "Uhrig's unwelcome sexual advances to a teenager, while on duty and under the guise of enforcing the laws, indicate an especially egregious mental state, show that he cannot enforce the law, and are cause for discipline."

Damn. This is rather scary. I'm sure the kid is a douche bag, but seriously, this is bad.

[Darko]

I'm a cop and I think this asshole needs to be fired. Possibly sued if possible more than likely the department will be...

[Donkey®]

Originally Posted by Ardentfrost

More Info:

: Missouri: Cop Website Contained Apparent Death Threat Against Video Vigilante



Damn. This is rather scary. I'm sure the kid is a douche bag, but seriously, this is bad.

I posted that on the first page.

[Stylerod]

No wonder he was so free with his threats about making up charges to arrest this kid. He had his video camera off.

ST. GEORGE, Missouri (AP) -- A police sergeant whose berating of a driver was captured on videotape has been fired.

Aldermen in the town of St. George, a St. Louis suburb, voted 5-0 in a closed meeting Monday to fire Sgt. James Kuehnlein. Notice of the firing was posted Wednesday at City Hall.

Kuehnlein's attorney, Travis L. Noble, said the officer received a letter Thursday detailing the reasons for his firing. Noble said he would review the letter with Kuehnlein before deciding on a course of action.

Brett Darrow, 20, had a video recorder inside his car when Kuehnlein approached him in a commuter lot in the early hours of September 7. Watch the tape and police officer's tirade »

In a video that was widely viewed on the Internet, Kuehnlein is heard taunting and threatening Darrow, sometimes shouting and using profanity. CNN's Jeanne Moos introduces the videotaping driver »

"It's what I wanted the whole time," Darrow told the St. Louis Post-Dispatch. "The conduct was not forgivable."

Police Chief Scott Uhrig said he recommended that Kuehnlein be fired based both on his language in the tape and because he violated department policy when he failed to tape the encounter himself with his police car's camera.

Glad to see him gone.

[motivez]

Glad to see another bad cop out of the system.

[Ardentfrost]

This is good news. I hope it sends a message to others like him.

[Joe_Cool]

Originally Posted by Ardentfrost

I seriously hope you're wrong and this isn't the "norm" for cops. I've only had dealings with a few, and some of them were really nice, none of them like in this video.

In my personal experience, this kind of behavior is more the rule than the exception.

[trevxenemy]

A cop tried to do that with me after a guy pulled a knife on me and I kicked the guy's ass. The guy convinced these girls in his apartment that my 2 friends and I broke into his apartment with baseball bats then drug him outside. We didn't even have baseball bats, and he came down to my sisters' apartment(he threatened to kill my sister - that doesn't sit well with me). Cop said I was under arrest for breaking and entering, assault, and anything else he can make up. I told him to fuck off and my first phone call will be to the county judge(said it by the Judge's name, my gma eats lunch with his wife every Thursday :P) 'cause he's a great family friend. Cop backed off after that. I so wanted to have his badge taken away.

[Dumpy Dooby]

Originally Posted by Donkey®

His history of being a cockface means his credibility = ZERO. He specifically went out that night to instigate shit. Read what he said "the world needs to see that this stuff REALLY happens". That was about this incident. Now look back a little further....


Missouri: Police Roadblock Harassment Caught on Tape





In THAT incident (which of course he videotaped) he was being a douche to the police...at a fucking dui checkpoint. It's obvious to me and anyone with half a brain....he's a fucking snot nosed attention seeking piece of shit who is on some kind of fucking crusade. He is the instigator. Period.

Horseshit. He wasn't being a dick to the officers at all. He was being assertive. He was refusing to put up with their shit. They don't need to know where he's going. They're fucking state employees. Nothing more. As long as he's following the law, knowing what he does in his own time is not within their purview.

The kid got stopped at a DUI checkpoint, and refused to tell the officer where he was going. That's it. He was detained for doing that. He has plenty of justification to be angry with the cops because that's a bunch of bullshit.