Video and Transcript of guy pulled over by crazy-ass cop - Page 4

Stylerod · 09-22-2007, 11:41 AM

Originally Posted by Donkey®

He has no justification for going out and purposely acting like an asshole towards the police. Period. How would you like some piece of shit fucking with you while you were trying to do your job? It's not legal to not obey a police officers requests. I don't know where you're getting that he's not doing anything illegal.

This is where he goes overboard. I think it's great what he is doing, really. He shouldn't have to tell them where he is going. It's a DUI checkpoint. They can check his license, look into his eyes with their flashlight to see if they appear glazed or whatever, and let him get on his way. Making him get out of the car and harassing him about it is wrong.

But when you read the transcript he exaggerates everything and he also does things that he knows will make him look like an asshole, like not rolling his window all the way down until they ask him to. First he says they stalled his car once, then he says they stalled it a few times. Then he says they road the clutch and he saw smoke coming from the car. Bullshit.

His problem is he feels he has to lie and exaggerate to make things worse than they already are, and he doesn't have to to make his point. The facts speak for themselves.

He has a good plan, but the fact that he is too immature to do it correctly makes it less enticing.

Joe_Cool · 09-22-2007, 03:07 PM

Originally Posted by Donkey®

He has no justification for going out and purposely acting like an asshole towards the police. Period. How would you like some piece of shit fucking with you while you were trying to do your job? It's not legal to not obey a police officers LAWFUL requests. I don't know where you're getting that he's not doing anything illegal.

Fixed. A cop has no right to know what I'm doing or where I'm going unless he has probable cause to believe that I have committed or am about to commit a crime.

Donkey® · 09-22-2007, 03:11 PM

Originally Posted by Joe_Cool

Fixed. A cop has no right to know what I'm doing or where I'm going unless he has probable cause to believe that I have committed or am about to commit a crime.

A cop has every right in the world to ask questions. Which law is that against?

motivez · 09-22-2007, 03:12 PM

And you have every right not to answer them.

Joe_Cool · 09-22-2007, 03:14 PM

Originally Posted by Donkey®

A cop has every right in the world to ask questions. Which law is that against?

He's free to ask. But...

Originally Posted by motivez

And you have every right not to answer them.

Donkey® · 09-22-2007, 03:24 PM

Originally Posted by motivez

And you have every right not to answer them.

And when you don't co-operate, the cop may take further action. Ask more questions, ask you to get out of the car, ask to search the car. It really makes no sense to me why people have to give police a hard time. They have a job to do. You are not having your rights trampled. You are not having your rights taken away. Treat someone doing a tough job with some respect. Jesus.

motivez · 09-22-2007, 03:30 PM

You can deny him permission to search, without probable cause he has no justification to search it.

Give the police a hard time? Please. That's the misnomer of the century.

It's called asserting your rights.

Donkey® · 09-22-2007, 03:38 PM

Originally Posted by motivez

You can deny him permission to search, without probable cause he has no justification to search it.

Give the police a hard time? Please. That's the misnomer of the century.

It's called asserting your rights.

And that's why it should be called "acting like an asshole". Why on earth should someone have an issue speaking in a friendly conversation with a police officer? You live in that fucking community he is trying to keep safe. Any day they go to work could be their last. What did they do to deserve someone treating them with disrespect because they ask "how are you tonight?" We know you have rights. We know you are a zealot. There comes a time to assert your rights. There are also times where it is COMPLETELY UNNECESSARY to start up shit just because you can...you know, kind of like a cop using his nightstick. It's his "right" to use it in ANY situation he deems NECESSARY. Should he just do it all the time or use his best discretion?

This is not a Constitutional argument people. Treat others with some respect. Fuck. It's not that hard.

Joe_Cool · 09-22-2007, 03:42 PM

Originally Posted by Donkey®

And when you don't co-operate, the cop may take further action. Ask more questions, ask you to get out of the car, ask to search the car. It really makes no sense to me why people have to give police a hard time. They have a job to do. You are not having your rights trampled. You are not having your rights taken away. Treat someone doing a tough job with some respect. Jesus.

THey're welcome to do their job as long as they understand and respect the rights of the people around them. He's welcome to ask more questions and ask if he can search my car, as long as he's prepared to hear "I won't answer any questions without a lawyer present" and "No, I do not consent to a search."

Joe_Cool · 09-22-2007, 03:42 PM

Originally Posted by Donkey®

And that's why it should be called "acting like an asshole". Why on earth should someone have an issue speaking in a friendly conversation with a police officer? You live in that fucking community he is trying to keep safe. Any day they go to work could be their last. What did they do to deserve someone treating them with disrespect because they ask "how are you tonight?" We know you have rights. We know you are a zealot. There comes a time to assert your rights. There are also times where it is COMPLETELY UNNECESSARY to start up shit just because you can...you know, kind of like a cop using his nightstick. It's his "right" to use it in ANY situation he deems NECESSARY. Should he just do it all the time or use his best discretion?

This is not a Constitutional argument people. Treat others with some respect. Fuck. It's not that hard.

So I should let him rifle through my car because I feel sorry for him for having a difficult job?

If he wants to search my car, all he needs is either probable cause or a warrant. Lacking those, no dice.

motivez · 09-22-2007, 03:45 PM

It's acting like an asshole to assert your RIGHTS? lol.

I guess we can just do away with lawyers, miranda, and all that good stuff and just let cops do and ask whatever they want with no restrictions.. we wouldn't want to act like an 'asshole' to them.

I don't think it's disrespect to not share my personal business with them. It's personal for a reason. I don't know them.

Every day they go to work could be their last. Does that mean they should have free reign to do what they want? I mean, how about the soldiers in Iraq, the same can be said of them, should we not give them any rules of engagement?

Because that's what we're talking about here. Police officers have to act within the restrictions placed on them by the constitution and other laws and regulations.. asserting my rights and not allowing a police officer to go beyond those restrictions is not disrespect. It's self respect.

And, a police officer can not use a nightstick in any situation just because he deems it necessary. If it's shown he abused his power, he'll be suspended and prosecuted and likely sued in civil court as well.

Donkey® · 09-22-2007, 04:04 PM

It's funny you give moderators on a fucking internet forum the right to take away free speech on a whim....but the cops can't get an answer to a mundane question. Fuck it. You guys can be dicks to police officers all you want...you'll never need their help...ever.

JaJae · 09-22-2007, 04:07 PM

Originally Posted by Donkey®

It's funny you give moderators on a fucking internet forum the right to take away free speech on a whim....but the cops can't get an answer to a mundane question. Fuck it. You guys can be dicks to police officers all you want...you'll never need their help...ever.

Forum administrator is a person behind a keyboard.

Police officer = public servant and legal authority over society.

Not exactly the same.

motivez · 09-22-2007, 04:50 PM

Originally Posted by Donkey®

It's funny you give moderators on a fucking internet forum the right to take away free speech on a whim....but the cops can't get an answer to a mundane question. Fuck it. You guys can be dicks to police officers all you want...you'll never need their help...ever.

There's no right to free speech on a privately owned website, we've talked about this before.. we give people leeway to write about whatever they want, but we place restrictions that we think are useful for healthy debate

And, what business is it of a police officers where I'm going if I'm not doing anything wrong and haven't broken any laws?

It's not being a dick.

Donkey® · 09-22-2007, 05:24 PM

Originally Posted by motivez

There's no right to free speech on a privately owned website, we've talked about this before.. we give people leeway to write about whatever they want, but we place restrictions that we think are useful for healthy debate

And, what business is it of a police officers where I'm going if I'm not doing anything wrong and haven't broken any laws?

It's not being a dick.

What if your garbage man asked you the same question? Would you pull the Constitution out of your back pocket? Your neighbor? Why can't the police officer be nice and just ask questions? "Where are you going" is not incriminating in any way. You could say "To Taliban school" and he couldn't do shit about it. The cop is not trying to do ANYTHING with such questions yet it is somehow turned into a "constitutional" issue.

JaJae · 09-22-2007, 05:59 PM

Originally Posted by Donkey®

What if your garbage man asked you the same question? Would you pull the Constitution out of your back pocket? Your neighbor? Why can't the police officer be nice and just ask questions? "Where are you going" is not incriminating in any way. You could say "To Taliban school" and he couldn't do shit about it. The cop is not trying to do ANYTHING with such questions yet it is somehow turned into a "constitutional" issue.

If a garbage man asked me where I was going it would be up to me to decide whether or not I wanted to respond. If I declined, I would be just as outraged if he claimed he was going to make up some untrue reason to sue me or something.

I agree the guy was a rude, but the officer was moreso.

Donkey® · 09-22-2007, 06:46 PM

Originally Posted by JaJae

If a garbage man asked me where I was going it would be up to me to decide whether or not I wanted to respond. If I declined, I would be just as outraged if he claimed he was going to make up some untrue reason to sue me or something.

I agree the guy was a rude, but the officer was moreso.

I have no problem with the officer being punished. Where I have the problem is where people think they can just shit on cops because it's their right to. A working society has to have some give and take between authority and it's citizens. Being a dick to a cop just because he is a cop is fucking stupid.

JaJae · 09-22-2007, 06:55 PM

Originally Posted by Donkey®

I have no problem with the officer being punished. Where I have the problem is where people think they can just shit on cops because it's their right to. A working society has to have some give and take between authority and it's citizens. Being a dick to a cop just because he is a cop is fucking stupid.

I completely agree.

motivez · 09-22-2007, 07:09 PM

So, asserting your rights and not letting a police officer walk all over them constitutes being a dick?