Video and Transcript of guy pulled over by crazy-ass cop

[motivez]

Good for him, everyone should make sure cops know that they too are bound by the law and don't have free reign to do whatever they want by asserting their rights and refusing to let the cop do whatever they want..

I personally wont help reinforce their God complex, something that seems to be shared by more than just a few cops

[Donkey®]

Originally Posted by motivez

Good for him, everyone should make sure cops know that they too are bound by the law and don't have free reign to do whatever they want by asserting their rights and refusing to let the cop do whatever they want..

I personally wont help reinforce their God complex, something that seems to be shared by more than just a few cops

Stereotype much?

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by motivez

Good for him, everyone should make sure cops know that they too are bound by the law and don't have free reign to do whatever they want by asserting their rights and refusing to let the cop do whatever they want..

I personally wont help reinforce their God complex, something that seems to be shared by more than just a few cops

Why not just call em pigs? I don't think it's good for people in our society to go out their way to disturb police officers. And then when one gets annoyed and flips out we champion the prick (good for him) and attack the officer (God complex). I don't think that's a rationale point of view to hold.

[motivez]

When it's justified

Look at how many threads there have been on cops in just the past few weeks here

I wont pretend cops are some group exempt from letting power to go to their heads, sorry. They're no better than anyone else.

[motivez]

Originally Posted by JaJae

Why not just call em pigs? I don't think it's good for people in our society to go out their way to disturb police officers. And then when one gets annoyed and flips out we champion the prick (good for him) and attack the officer (God complex). I don't think that's a rationale point of view to hold.

Disturb police officers? Are you fucking kidding me?

By standing up for my rights, I'm "disturbing" the poor police officer? Give me a break.

When one gets annoyed, he should be professional enough to not try to MAKE UP CHARGES or brutally assault someone..

This kid might be a prick, but exposing police officers for doing wrong is a good thing in my book. If they let themselves let some punk teenager get the best of them, they have no business being in a position of legal authority in the first place.

[Joe_Cool]

Originally Posted by Donkey®

It's funny you give moderators on a fucking internet forum the right to take away free speech on a whim....but the cops can't get an answer to a mundane question. Fuck it. You guys can be dicks to police officers all you want...you'll never need their help...ever.

Internet forums are PRIVATE PROPERTY, genius. The only free speech you have on somebody else's private property is what they allow you to have.

[Donkey®]

Originally Posted by motivez

Disturb police officers? Are you fucking kidding me?

By standing up for my rights, I'm "disturbing" the poor police officer? Give me a break.

When one gets annoyed, he should be professional enough to not try to MAKE UP CHARGES or brutally assault someone..

This kid might be a prick, but exposing police officers for doing wrong is a good thing in my book. If they let themselves let some punk teenager get the best of them, they have no business being in a position of legal authority in the first place.

And for every video where cops are "not being professional" there's 500 with cops being extremely patient with some asshole yelling at them for a traffic ticket. The bottom line is that there's an underlying HATRED of law enforcement in a lot of people for completely stupid reasons. You are condoning people treating cops like shit just because they are cops. You're an asshole for it.

[Joe_Cool]

Originally Posted by Donkey®

What if your garbage man asked you the same question? Would you pull the Constitution out of your back pocket? Your neighbor? Why can't the police officer be nice and just ask questions? "Where are you going" is not incriminating in any way. You could say "To Taliban school" and he couldn't do shit about it. The cop is not trying to do ANYTHING with such questions yet it is somehow turned into a "constitutional" issue.

He's free to ask whatever he wants, just like a cop is. And I'm free to refuse to answer, just like I am with the cop.

And unless your garbage man has legal authority over you and thinks he can compel you to answer, you fail at analogies.

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by motivez

Disturb police officers? Are you fucking kidding me?

By standing up for my rights, I'm "disturbing" the poor police officer? Give me a break.

When one gets annoyed, he should be professional enough to not try to MAKE UP CHARGES or brutally assault someone..

This kid might be a prick, but exposing police officers for doing wrong is a good thing in my book. If they let themselves let some punk teenager get the best of them, they have no business being in a position of legal authority in the first place.

I meant to type disrupt, but in any case it's similar. He wasn't just standing up for his rights. He was admittedly being a prick. Whenever a police figure in history approaches a citizen there is a common reaction that is given. When someone goes out of their way to be an asshole, the officer is usually taken aback and wonders what's wrong with the person.

And again, I agree the officer was wrong and should be punished for what he did. But I can not at all champion and praise some asshole for being a dick because police officers have a "God complex" and need to be shown they can't "do whatever they want."

And yes there are a lot of threads regarding a handful of bad police officers on this forum this week. However, I'm willing to bet I can find dozens more incidents where police officers went above and beyond to help a complete stranger despite their "God complex."

[Donkey®]

Originally Posted by Joe_Cool

Internet forums are PRIVATE PROPERTY, genius. The only free speech you have on somebody else's private property is what they allow you to have.

My freedom is being infringed. If I don't let Congress do it, why should I let anyone else?

[Donkey®]

Originally Posted by Joe_Cool

He's free to ask whatever he wants, just like a cop is. And I'm free to refuse to answer, just like I am with the cop.

And unless your garbage man has legal authority over you and thinks he can compel you to answer, you fail at analogies.

The analogy works just fine. That's the whole problem in a nutshell. You guys see them only as bad guys. They have "authority" over you. You see them as "abusing" that authority when they ask you a stupid question...when they make conversation. It's pathetic you live in a world where you must act like a dick to someone trying to make your streets safe.

[motivez]

Originally Posted by JaJae

I meant to type disrupt, but in any case it's similar. He wasn't just standing up for his rights. He was admittedly being a prick. Whenever a police figure in history approaches a citizen there is a common reaction that is given. When someone goes out of their way to be an asshole, the officer is usually taken aback and wonders what's wrong with the person.

Would you say that officer then usually verbally harasses said person, threatens them with false charges, and so forth?

Of course you wouldn't.

Originally Posted by JaJae

And again, I agree the officer was wrong and should be punished for what he did. But I can not at all champion and praise some asshole for being a dick because police officers have a "God complex" and need to be shown they can't "do whatever they want."

And I can't champion the idea that we should submit 100% to police questions, in fact I reject it out right. The police have no business knowing where I'm going or what I'm doing. If they think there's probable cause for this or that then they'll arrest me and it'll be sorted out.

Originally Posted by JaJae

And yes there are a lot of threads regarding a handful of bad police officers on this forum this week. However, I'm willing to bet I can find dozens more incidents where police officers went above and beyond to help a complete stranger despite their "God complex."

I'm sure you could too, because not all (or even most) of cops are bad people. That doesn't negate the fact that there are cops who commit abuses like this, and I don't think it negates the fact that there are plenty (a significant portion, IMO) who allow their power to go to their head.

I'm sure the cop in this incident isn't a horrible person.. he just let his head get too big and thought that he was above the law.

I applaud people who help remind police officers that there are checks to their power, it's a wonderful thing that helps keep them grounded and remembering that they are there to serve us, not persecute, and that they're not entitled to do whatever they want to.

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by motivez

Would you say that officer then usually verbally harasses said person, threatens them with false charges, and so forth?

Of course you wouldn't.

I don't understand this argument.

And I can't champion the idea that we should submit 100% to police questions, in fact I reject it out right. The police have no business knowing where I'm going or what I'm doing. If they think there's probable cause for this or that then they'll arrest me and it'll be sorted out.

Nobody is saying you should have to submit 100% to anything regarding the police. I'm just saying I wouldn't champion someone who went out of his way to be a prick to a police officer the same as I wouldn't champion a police officer who went out of his way to be a prick to a citizen who he felt had a "God complex" or whatever stereotype he can come up with after being on the streets everyday.

I'm sure you could too, because not all (or even most) of cops are bad people. That doesn't negate the fact that there are cops who commit abuses like this, and I don't think it negates the fact that there are plenty (a significant portion, IMO) who allow their power to go to their head.

Sure there are plenty of bad cops as there are plenty of good cops. However, I don't think saying "good for him" to someone who goes out of his way to be a dick to law enforcement due to some preconceived stereotypes is rationale.

I applaud people who help remind police officers that there are checks to their power, it's a wonderful thing that helps keep them grounded and remembering that they are there to serve us, not persecute, and that they're not entitled to do whatever they want to.

More stereotypes... Even if there was some inherent need for people to run around and fight the police officer "God complex" this wasn't the way to do it and wasn't something that should be respected and praised.

[motivez]

Originally Posted by JaJae

I don't understand this argument.

You're talking about what "usually" the cop would do. This wasn't a "usually" situation.

It degraded into what it was because the cop allowed it to.. not because the kid was a prick. Cops sign up for the job of their own volition, it's their responsibility to deal with the pressures and assholes accordingly.

A private citizen, however, should not have to deal with an abusive police officer who they don't choose to interact with.

Originally Posted by JaJae

Nobody is saying you should have to submit 100% to anything regarding the police. I'm just saying I wouldn't champion someone who went out of his way to be a prick to a police officer the same as I wouldn't champion a police officer who went out of his way to be a prick to a citizen who he felt had a "God complex" or whatever stereotype he can come up with after being on the streets everyday.

Except those are two different situations.

On the one hand, you have a private citizen with rights that he can assert, and on the other you have a state employee who's bound by rules and regulations when interacting with a private citizen abusing his power

You keep repeating "God complex", do you have something to say about my use of it? It's absolutely correct IMO. It's what caused this cop to do and say what he did.

Originally Posted by JaJae

Sure there are plenty of bad cops as there are plenty of good cops. However, I don't think saying "good for him" to someone who goes out of his way to be a dick to law enforcement due to some preconceived stereotypes is rationale.

I have no problem with what this kid did, he had video running to protect himself from the very thing the cop was trying to do.

None of the fault is on the kid IMO, the cop should have handled himself better. Some smart mouth teenage punk acting like a prick should not be enough to rile a cop up enough to do what this guy did.

If it is, he has no business being in law enforcement.

Originally Posted by JaJae

More stereotypes... Even if there was some inherent need for people to run around and fight the police officer "God complex" this wasn't the way to do it and wasn't something that should be respected and praised.

I'm not talking about going around and provoking police officers out of the blue, that's something completely different.. but thanks for changing my situation around to make it sound like what I was suggesting was way worse than it was. Really.

However, when confronted with a situation, assertion of rights helps remind the police officer that they're there to protect and serve. I stand by it.

[motivez]

Originally Posted by Donkey®

And for every video where cops are "not being professional" there's 500 with cops being extremely patient with some asshole yelling at them for a traffic ticket. The bottom line is that there's an underlying HATRED of law enforcement in a lot of people for completely stupid reasons. You are condoning people treating cops like shit just because they are cops. You're an asshole for it.

I'm sure there is, but that doesn't excuse those who don't act professional, threaten the citizen, assault them, etc, now does it?

Just like I'm sure there's hundreds of examples of Congress and Bush doing things that help out the US, it doesn't excuse taking bribes, or warrantlessly (a word?) wiretapping my conversations, condoning torture, and so on and so forth.

I don't hate law enforcement, I just understand that they don't have carte blanche to do whatever the hell they want and have no problem asserting my rights if I encounter them.

I'm not condoning anyone treating cops like shit. I don't think this kid was treating the guy like shit for asking questions or refusing to answer questions that they had no right to ask. I don't think cops are that fragile, sorry.

[Joe_Cool]

Originally Posted by Donkey®

My freedom is being infringed. If I don't let Congress do it, why should I let anyone else?

So why don't you try barging into my home and expressing your free speech, and see what happens to you?

You don't have freedom in places you have no right to be. We're allowed to be on here at the whim of the people who own it. On private property, you have no rights, because you don't have a right to be there in the first place.

[Joe_Cool]

Originally Posted by Donkey®

The analogy works just fine. That's the whole problem in a nutshell. You guys see them only as bad guys. They have "authority" over you. You see them as "abusing" that authority when they ask you a stupid question...when they make conversation. It's pathetic you live in a world where you must act like a dick to someone trying to make your streets safe.

So you think that I'm obligated to respond to a cop's conversation? If I'm obligated, then it's not making conversation. And if it's a topic where they have no authority to compel a response, then you don't have to answer. It's that simple.

[Dumpy Dooby]

Originally Posted by Donkey®

He has no justification for going out and purposely acting like an asshole towards the police. Period. How would you like some piece of shit fucking with you while you were trying to do your job? It's not legal to not obey a police officers requests. I don't know where you're getting that he'