Hsu isn't the only dishonest $$$ Hillary gets apparently

Stylerod · 09-13-2007, 05:13 PM

This story is actually about Hillary's brother, Tony, who had a business partner that went to jail. Bill and Hillary gave him a pardon. I guess the guy owed Tony money so they made sure the guy got out of prison so he could get it.

Another of Hillary's brothers, Hugh, was paid $400,000 to pardon a drug trafficker. Is that not amazing? He was PAID almost a half a million dollars to get his brother in law, The President of the United States, to get a guy out of prison. Wow.

Then the story reminds us of billionaire Marc Rich who fled the country so he wouldn't have to pay his taxes and serve jail time for other charges. The Clintons pardoned him. Well, it seems Rich has donated over a $1,000,000 to the Democrats, gave half a million for the Clinton library and gave Hillary over $100,000 towards her senate campain.

Clinton's Brother Settles Debt Suit

Does this not stink to anyone else?

WickedLou9 · 09-13-2007, 05:40 PM

I'm honestly not thrilled with any of the candidates running right now.

Maybe I'll just vote for Ron Paul for a laugh.

Stylerod · 09-14-2007, 02:06 PM

Originally Posted by WickedLou9

I'm honestly not thrilled with any of the candidates running right now.

Maybe I'll just vote for Ron Paul for a laugh.

He'd shake things up all right. Not sure for all the right reasons, but it might be a nice change.

WickedLou9 · 09-14-2007, 02:21 PM

Originally Posted by Stylerod

He'd shake things up all right. Not sure for all the right reasons, but it might be a nice change.

I don't think he could win though. It's the same as voting for Nader.

JaJae · 09-14-2007, 04:08 PM

Originally Posted by Stylerod

Clinton's Brother Settles Debt Suit

Does this not stink to anyone else?

Bill also had a history of giving presidential pardons to people who donated to his foundations and campaigns. It's very common with Clintons.

RMNIXON · 09-14-2007, 05:56 PM

4 years of this?

Moveon.org may think they own the Democrat Party, but Hillary is taking out a loan!

Stylerod · 09-14-2007, 06:22 PM

A sneak peak at this weekend's "Chris Matthews Show":

ANDREA MITCHELL, NBC NEWS:
"Up until now, Bill Clinton has been a complete plus among Democratic primary voters for Hillary Clinton. But now, with the Norman Hsu money-raising controversy, for the first time there's a real concern in the Clinton camp that this is real baggage from the Clinton White House years. There's a lot of stress, a lot of damage control, a lot of finger-pointing -- and in fact, stress is so high that there was a shouting match observed among Clinton staffers in public last week."

DUH! It smells too much like Bills China mess.

JaJae · 09-14-2007, 07:04 PM

Originally Posted by Stylerod

DUH! It smells too much like Bills China mess.

I said from the start that it was a mistake for her to ride Bill so hard. Now everyone has linked the two of them. She not only has to deal with the crap in her closet, but the crap in Bill's as well.

Although Democrats and people around the world love Bill Clinton, he has a lot of baggage and I really don't see this being the last time he's going to hurt Hillary's presidential run.

The bribery, extortion, illegal funds, and all the corruption that encompasses the Clintons has mostly been focused around her husband. But, by her linking them and promising to give him positions of authority, etc we all link "their" crap as being one in the same and not separate.

Bill Clinton · 09-15-2007, 03:44 AM

Originally Posted by Stylerod

This story is actually about Hillary's brother, Tony, who had a business partner that went to jail. Bill and Hillary gave him a pardon. I guess the guy owed Tony money so they made sure the guy got out of prison so he could get it. Another of Hillary's brothers, Hugh, was paid $400,000 to pardon a drug trafficker. Is that not amazing? He was PAID almost a half a million dollars to get his brother in law, The President of the United States, to get a guy out of prison. Wow. Then the story reminds us of billionaire Marc Rich who fled the country so he wouldn't have to pay his taxes and serve jail time for other charges. The Clintons pardoned him. Well, it seems Rich has donated over a $1,000,000 to the Democrats, gave half a million for the Clinton library and gave Hillary over $100,000 towards her senate campain. Clinton's Brother Settles Debt Suit Does this not stink to anyone else?

My wife did not give anyone a pardon. The power to pardon him rested with me alone. I understand that the people who attack me have a poor grasp of English. They think "is" means "to be" in the past tense. They don't understand that "sexual relations" means sex... and you can't have sexual intercourse without... intercourse. But claiming that "The Clintons" pardoned anyone is such a butchery of the English language that I feel obligated to correct it. Clintons is plural. Clinton is singular. I, Bill Clinton (singular), pardoned these people based on the merits of the cases. To say that Hillary somehow has the power to pardon people is a lie. I'd also like to point out that when Hillary found out that Hugh received money for what could have been perceived as a bribe to influence my decision, she told him to return the money. I'd also like to state for the record that although Hugh did inform me of Heather Elizabeth Wilson's (the drug trafficker) case, I pardoned her conviction based on the facts of the case and I stand behind that pardon.

Also, I would like to point out that Edgar Allen Gregory Jr and his wife were pardoned in 2000. They were not in jail at the time of the pardon nor did they owe my brother-in-law any money before or during the pardon process. The case being discussed in that article was brought by the late Edgar's estate against Tony because the estate claimed that some of the consulting payments that Tony received were actually loans totaling $107,000. Tony on the other hand argued that the Gregorys still owed him money for some consulting work he did between 2000 and 2002. The case has been settled out of court but I am not at liberty to give details about the settlement. Suffice to say, your depiction of the facts are misinformed at best and libel at worst.

kinggovernor · 09-16-2007, 06:39 PM

Originally Posted by Bill Clinton

My wife did not give anyone a pardon. The power to pardon him rested with me alone. I understand that the people who attack me have a poor grasp of English. They think "is" means "to be" in the past tense. They don't understand that "sexual relations" means sex... and you can't have sexual intercourse without... intercourse. But claiming that "The Clintons" pardoned anyone is such a butchery of the English language that I feel obligated to correct it. Clintons is plural. Clinton is singular. I, Bill Clinton (singular), pardoned these people based on the merits of the cases. To say that Hillary somehow has the power to pardon people is a lie. I'd also like to point out that when Hillary found out that Hugh received money for what could have been perceived as a bribe to influence my decision, she told him to return the money. I'd also like to state for the record that although Hugh did inform me of Heather Elizabeth Wilson's (the drug trafficker) case, I pardoned her conviction based on the facts of the case and I stand behind that pardon.

Also, I would like to point out that Edgar Allen Gregory Jr and his wife were pardoned in 2000. They were not in jail at the time of the pardon nor did they owe my brother-in-law any money before or during the pardon process. The case being discussed in that article was brought by the late Edgar's estate against Tony because the estate claimed that some of the consulting payments that Tony received were actually loans totaling $107,000. Tony on the other hand argued that the Gregorys still owed him money for some consulting work he did between 2000 and 2002. The case has been settled out of court but I am not at liberty to give details about the settlement. Suffice to say, your depiction of the facts are misinformed at best and libel at worst.

wha?

7th Ninjai · 09-18-2007, 02:13 PM

How much longer until GW shows up too?

Stylerod · 09-18-2007, 02:59 PM

Originally Posted by Bill Clinton

My wife did not give anyone a pardon. The power to pardon him rested with me alone. I understand that the people who attack me have a poor grasp of English. They think "is" means "to be" in the past tense. They don't understand that "sexual relations" means sex... and you can't have sexual intercourse without... intercourse. But claiming that "The Clintons" pardoned anyone is such a butchery of the English language that I feel obligated to correct it. Clintons is plural. Clinton is singular. I, Bill Clinton (singular), pardoned these people based on the merits of the cases. To say that Hillary somehow has the power to pardon people is a lie. I'd also like to point out that when Hillary found out that Hugh received money for what could have been perceived as a bribe to influence my decision, she told him to return the money. I'd also like to state for the record that although Hugh did inform me of Heather Elizabeth Wilson's (the drug trafficker) case, I pardoned her conviction based on the facts of the case and I stand behind that pardon.

Also, I would like to point out that Edgar Allen Gregory Jr and his wife were pardoned in 2000. They were not in jail at the time of the pardon nor did they owe my brother-in-law any money before or during the pardon process. The case being discussed in that article was brought by the late Edgar's estate against Tony because the estate claimed that some of the consulting payments that Tony received were actually loans totaling $107,000. Tony on the other hand argued that the Gregorys still owed him money for some consulting work he did between 2000 and 2002. The case has been settled out of court but I am not at liberty to give details about the settlement. Suffice to say, your depiction of the facts are misinformed at best and libel at worst.

Sure. Just a big misunderstanding. I'm sure the millions of dollars we are talking about had NOTHING to do with it.

And, welcome to the board Mr President!

hsmith · 09-18-2007, 05:05 PM

HC should has kept billy on the back burners