Most evil terrorist organization ever created, was made by US forces in Iraq

Thorgrim · 08-25-2006, 01:56 AM

His comments offered a rare acknowledgment of the role of the Mahdi Army in the sectarian bloodletting that has killed more than 10,400 Iraqis in recent months. The Mahdi Army is the militia of Shiite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr, now one of the most powerful figures in the country.

The death squads that carry out the extrajudicial killings are widely feared but mysterious. Often, the only evidence is the bodies discovered in the streets. Several commanders in the Mahdi Army said in interviews that they act independently of the Shiite religious courts that have taken root here, meting out street justice on their own with what they believe to be the authorization of Sadr's organization and under the mantle of Islam.

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Lawson, the intelligence officer, credits the Mahdi Army with an intelligence operation that has become skilled at feeding bad information to Americans about the militia's activities. But U.S. military officials say they know enough to condemn much of what the Mahdi Army does.

"I have no doubt . . . they hold trial courts and execute people," said Lt. Col. Mark Meadows, commander of a cavalry regiment with the U.S. Army's 10th Mountain Division. Meadows's men oversaw Shula, a northern Baghdad neighborhood under Sadr's control, at the time of the Samarra bombing. The Mahdi Army "is probably the largest, most aggressive militia in this country," Meadows said. "They are a terrorist organization. They terrorize people."

washingtonpost.com

The worst terrorist organization in the world, responsible for many more deaths than Al Qaeda, was spawned in June 2003 by the US invasion, by ANTI-SADDAM forces

All anti-US terrorist groups have been Sunni in the last decade, as Hezbollah (the only other powerful Shia terrorist group) has specifically stayed out of Iraq

For those who say "oh thats all Iran", wrong, Iran throws most of its money towards the Badr Corps, and besides Iran didn't create al-Sadr or his movement...the US did

Nonphixion · 08-25-2006, 09:05 AM

HAHA!

Mission Accomplished.

PetriW · 08-25-2006, 09:26 AM

All is going well in Iraq I see.

ballz2wallz · 08-25-2006, 10:50 AM

lame way to excuse al sadr's army. al sadr and his army need to be annihilated.

smokie700 · 08-25-2006, 11:04 AM

To Thorgrim: So let me get this straight, You blame the US forces for the actions of this group?

You do realize that the entire region is made up of tribes who only want themselves to be in power. This group just took advantage of a power vaccum to get stronger. It could have happen during many other types of situations.

Thorgrim · 08-25-2006, 02:50 PM

Originally Posted by smokie700

To Thorgrim: So let me get this straight, You blame the US forces for the actions of this group?

You do realize that the entire region is made up of tribes who only want themselves to be in power. This group just took advantage of a power vaccum to get stronger. It could have happen during many other types of situations.

If the US would not have invaded, that terrorist group would not exist, it was directly caused by US actions, when they became terrorists, the US refused to take them on until it was too late

smokie700 · 08-25-2006, 02:59 PM

I disagree. The group would have been there waiting until the right time. Only thing that the US may have done was to make that time now and not later.

Thorgrim · 08-25-2006, 03:11 PM

Originally Posted by smokie700

I disagree. The group would have been there waiting until the right time. Only thing that the US may have done was to make that time now and not later.

Al Sadr had no power in 2002...he wasn't waiting for anything...you have no case whatsoever

Phantom · 08-25-2006, 03:16 PM

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

If the US would not have invaded, that terrorist group would not exist, it was directly caused by US actions, when they became terrorists, the US refused to take them on until it was too late

your logic is absurd...

I guess we should blame the girl for acting sexy when she gets raped as well

Thorgrim · 08-25-2006, 03:24 PM

Originally Posted by Phantom

your logic is absurd...

I guess we should blame the girl for acting sexy when she gets raped as well

I guess we shouldn't blame all of the 9/11 hijackers for the WTC attacks because some of them thought they were merely hijacking a plane and possibly not killing anyone

6SpeedTA95 · 08-25-2006, 03:29 PM

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

I guess we shouldn't blame all of the 9/11 hijackers for the WTC attacks because some of them thought they were merely hijacking a plane and possibly not killing anyone

what the hell????

smokie700 · 08-25-2006, 03:37 PM

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

Al Sadr had no power in 2002...he wasn't waiting for anything...you have no case whatsoever

So you know him personally? He took advantage of a situation to give himself power and enforce his beliefs. This could have happen at any moment in time when he chances for success were greater. You make it sound like we endorsed him.

smokie700 · 08-25-2006, 03:38 PM

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

I guess we shouldn't blame all of the 9/11 hijackers for the WTC attacks because some of them thought they were merely hijacking a plane and possibly not killing anyone

that's a pretty far stretch to say the hijackers were not aware of their mission to kill americans.

Phantom · 08-25-2006, 03:50 PM

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

I guess we shouldn't blame all of the 9/11 hijackers for the WTC attacks because some of them thought they were merely hijacking a plane and possibly not killing anyone

you're missing the point...

maybe the US was wrong, but we didn't organize any terrorist group

in the same manner, the girl wearing the skimpy outfit wasn't the brightest, but she didn't cause the guy to rape her

Thorgrim · 08-25-2006, 03:50 PM

Originally Posted by smokie700

that's a pretty far stretch to say the hijackers were not aware of their mission to kill americans.

How do you know?

"FBI theory that some hijackers did not know the Sept. 11 plot was a suicide mission."

911: Hijacker

Thorgrim · 08-25-2006, 03:53 PM

Originally Posted by Phantom

you're missing the point...

maybe the US was wrong, but we didn't organize any terrorist group

in the same manner, the girl wearing the skimpy outfit wasn't the brightest, but she didn't cause the guy to rape her

You are using an example with a spectrum and using the most favorable shade possible...

Suppose the girl had gotten them drunk, got naked at their apartment, dry-humped them, etc and then decided she didn't want to have sex at the last moment, is she really blameless?

It's a bad example, think up a better one

ballz2wallz · 08-25-2006, 03:55 PM

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

You are using an example with a spectrum and using the most favorable shade possible...

Suppose the girl had gotten them drunk, got naked at their apartment, dry-humped them, etc and then decided she didn't want to have sex at the last moment, is she really blameless?

It's a bad example, think up a better one

no matter what a girl does, if she says no to sex, then it means no. i don't care how much teasing she did. did she help the situation? no, but she is not in any bit the cause of the rape.

Thorgrim · 08-25-2006, 04:04 PM

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

no matter what a girl does, if she says no to sex, then it means no. i don't care how much teasing she did. did she help the situation? no, but she is not in any bit the cause of the rape.

I am sorry I don't think a girl who has drugged and teased a guy, and sit butt naked right ontop of his cock is blameless if he takes her shoulders and pushes down a few times

Scrum · 08-25-2006, 04:05 PM

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

I am sorry I don't think a girl who has drugged and teased a guy, and sit butt naked right ontop of his cock is blameless if he takes her shoulders and pushes down a few times

I agree. The blame would lie on both sides.

ballz2wallz · 08-25-2006, 04:13 PM

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

I am sorry I don't think a girl who has drugged and teased a guy, and sit butt naked right ontop of his cock is blameless if he takes her shoulders and pushes down a few times

well i guess if she sits down on his lap, it's not quite rape, is it?