Dems campaign on GOP's Katrina blunders (AP)

Ron Burgundy · 08-25-2006, 05:20 AM

AP - Hurricane Katrina convulsed the nation with its massive destruction. Now Democrats believe it could wreak havoc again in a tide of voter resentment that could sweep Republicans from power.

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smokie700 · 08-25-2006, 11:20 AM

Wonder how they are gonna spin the fact that 2 dem's were more responsible for the screwup's.

Scrum · 08-25-2006, 12:01 PM

Originally Posted by smokie700

Wonder how they are gonna spin the fact that 2 dem's were more responsible for the screwup's.

Dems were in charge of FEMA?

ballz2wallz · 08-25-2006, 12:13 PM

Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent

Dems were in charge of FEMA?

FEMA was responsible?

JaJae · 08-25-2006, 12:14 PM

Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent

Dems were in charge of FEMA?

Federal government has supreme authority in New Orleans when the mayor and governor prevented them from coming in?

smokie700 · 08-25-2006, 12:18 PM

I was activated for a hurricane in N.O. before Katrina. The response of the city and state was exactly the same. IT was a clusterfuck. The mayor and the governor are responsible for most of the problems.

Scrum · 08-25-2006, 12:35 PM

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

FEMA was responsible?

For the federal response they were.

Scrum · 08-25-2006, 12:35 PM

Originally Posted by JaJae

Federal government has supreme authority in New Orleans when the mayor and governor prevented them from coming in?

Keep pulling that sorry excuse out.

JaJae · 08-25-2006, 12:43 PM

Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent

Keep pulling that sorry excuse out.

excuse?

Scrum · 08-25-2006, 12:45 PM

Originally Posted by JaJae

excuse?

It's an excuse for the lack of federal response.

They weren't blocked from helping. They weren't equipped to handle a disaster and were caught flatfooted.

JaJae · 08-25-2006, 12:47 PM

Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent

It's an excuse for the lack of federal response.

They weren't blocked from helping. They weren't equipped to handle a disaster and were caught flatfooted.

They were blocking.

The federal government asked if they needed/wanted help. They said NO, repeatedly. Finally when they allowed help and Congress was called for a special session to force help, all the roads were flooded and they couldn't get in.

It is not the federal government's responsibility to be first responders. That's the local level. And that's where they messed up. They weren't prepared at all at the local levels and refused to allow federal support.

Scrum · 08-25-2006, 12:48 PM

Originally Posted by JaJae

They were blocking.

The federal government asked if they needed/wanted help. They said NO, repeatedly. Finally when they allowed help and Congress was called for a special session to force help, all the roads were flooded and they couldn't get in.

It is not the federal government's responsibility to be first responders. That's the local level. And that's where they messed up. They weren't prepared at all at the local levels and refused to allow federal support.

That's not the way Brown tells it.

smokie700 · 08-25-2006, 12:50 PM

Funny how until the military showed up the local authorities were "stuck on stupid" (i love that quote). The city and state could have made a better plan for hurricane evacuation.

ballz2wallz · 08-25-2006, 12:50 PM

Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent

For the federal response they were.

good thing the federal response isn't solely responsible then, isn't it?

ballz2wallz · 08-25-2006, 12:50 PM

Originally Posted by smokie700

Funny how until the military showed up the local authorities were "stuck on stupid" The city and state could have made a better plan for hurricane evacuation.

oh it was a fiasco until the feds showed up.

smokie700 · 08-25-2006, 12:52 PM

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

oh it was a fiasco until the feds showed up.

I know I listened to the National guard radio chatter and state trooper radio chatter for 3 days. I also talked with a bunch of old guard buddies that were activated for this one and they said it was just as screwed up as the other activation 5-7 years before.

JaJae · 08-25-2006, 12:52 PM

Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent

That's not the way Brown tells it.

You mean the guy who was in charge and blew all their money on fountains instead of the levees that broke is covering his ass?

Scrum · 08-25-2006, 12:55 PM

Originally Posted by JaJae

You mean the guy who was in charge and blew all their money on fountains instead of the levees that broke is covering his ass?

You really should educate yourself on the situation.

No amount of money we would spend would have fixed the levees. The Army Corps of Engineers knew it since they built them.

JaJae · 08-25-2006, 01:53 PM

Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent

You really should educate yourself on the situation.

No amount of money we would spend would have fixed the levees. The Army Corps of Engineers knew it since they built them.

No amount of money would have, however, the money that was earmarked for it should have gone to it. They were receiving federal funds and they blew millions each year on tourism rather than the safety of the people in the town. Then when a hurricane comes they don't fully evacuate or do a good job planning.

Then they restrict the federal government from helping until it's too late for them to get into the city.

I don't care if the levees wouldn't held if they were upgraded. They probably would have helped some. It just goes to show that people are refusing to place any blame on the local authorities who were the first responders and screwed up Katrina from the getgo. If they hadn't messed up so horribly for years right up to the days leading up to Katrina and then finally really fucking up the day of and after, we wouldn't have been in such the pickle we were in.

Blaming the Federal government can only go so far since they legally weren't allowed to invade Katrina and take over, unless the mayor gave them permission... which admittedly he refused.

Once they got the ok to go into New Orleans they sent them in. But the stupid governor wouldn't even let them in the state so they lined up along the state border waiting for them to allow the rescue workers in. Once they were allowed in the roads were flooded and they couldn't get there in a decent time.

And once they did get there they had to worry about getting shot. Yet nobody wants to blame the people who didn't leave during the manditroy evacuation or the local and state officials who were supposed to be in control of the situation.

thomez · 08-25-2006, 03:54 PM

it was a failure at EVERY level