Everyday I move a little closer to Agnosticism

[DavidHenry]

Originally Posted by motivez

The lack of "God"

Can you give me a physical description of God so I can attempt to disprove his/it's existence?

[Jenifer Johnson]

Religion is man's way of explaining the unexplainable, which requires faith to believe. Once it can be proven to be truth, it no longer takes faith, therefore, is no longer a part of one's religion.

The "Bible GOD" and the objective behind the dogma was to create a political system for collective control of race supremacy for world domination.

The "Bible God", was a figment of Moses' imagination used as a sock puppet to get someone to do what he wanted by using "God said". IF he really did think he talked to god, it was because of auditory hallucinations, today known as paranoid schizophrenia.

At the core of this dogma is that there is only one God that talks to his chosen people, children of Israel aka "the Jew"; and teaches them how to deal with the Non-Jews, the Goym (sub-human). Jewish Supremacy is at the core of this dogma, demonstrated through out the doctrine. The Talmud, which is a collection of Jewish laws and traditions promoting the Jewish race, states the Jews are humans and rest of you are Goym or animal in human form created by their tribal god to serve them.

The difference between the OT God and the NT God, is the idea of Universalism. The NT God is the God of everyone instead of just the Jew, and to be saved, one only have to acknowledged Jesus as their savior, instead of being born under the covenant, "born a Jew".

God, Truth, doesn't Lie. The concept that one is "born a Jew" is false, which means Moses no more talked to God, than you are Jesus Christ. A building is only as good as its foundation. When the foundation is built on a lie, the dogma rots from the head down.

When you take into consideration all of the people that manifest the Jewish Mentality, which is all that believe in the three Abrahamic Religions; Judaism, Christianity and Islam, you have the majority of the population in western civilization. The source for the present world religious conflict and wars are between the elements of the Abrahamic Religions that now affecting the entire world as they are jockeying for nonexistent authority by their tribal God.

Moral Authority comes from doing what is right.

Here is a question for those that believe in the Sock Puppet and that it should have dominion over one's life; Please qualify what is "your" basis for establishing right from wrong.

[Linzyhop]

isn't it possible to just believe in "god" without it/him/her being the OT or NT "God"?

[DavidHenry]

Originally Posted by Linzyhop

isn't it possible to just believe in "god" without it/him/her being the OT or NT "God"?

Depends on your definition…..but anyone suggesting that God is a physical being is lying, ie, they can’t provide any evidence….of course that don’t seem to matter to some folk cause they’re not in the business of taking science, philosophy and logic seriously.

People mistake science and technology as the cause of many of our problems, when in reality it’s politics….that said, even though I like some forms of technology, I think some people are addicted to it at the expense of social matters.

[Linzyhop]

i'd like to think of god as a force, a life force behind science and math and life in general. a force inside everything and everyone. i don't really think of god as a tangible figure.

[Scrum]

Originally Posted by Linzyhop

i'd like to think of god as a force, a life force behind science and math and life in general. a force inside everything and everyone. i don't really think of god as a tangible figure.

Is this force intelligent?

[Linzyhop]

Originally Posted by Scrum

Is this force intelligent?

the force is a force. like nature. it is nature. who am i to say if it's intelligent or not?

[DavidHenry]

Originally Posted by Linzyhop

i'd like to think of god as a force, a life force behind science and math and life in general. a force inside everything and everyone. i don't really think of god as a tangible figure.

Even though I don’t agree with the manner in which you’ve interpreted God, I can live with it as long as you don’t believe this force to be the reference point for morality.

[Linzyhop]

Originally Posted by DavidHenry

Even though I don’t agree with the manner in which you’ve interpreted God, I can live with it as long as you don’t believe this force to be the reference point for morality.

morality? i just believe in common sense and karma. you shouldn't do something bad because it's bad, not because you're scared of being punished or the threat of going to "hell"...

[DavidHenry]

Originally Posted by Linzyhop

morality? i just believe in common sense and karma. you shouldn't do something bad because it's bad, not because you're scared of being punished or the threat of going to "hell"...

Many religious people believe God is the source and enforcer of morality.....the problem with that is God doesn't exist, so in reality it's always been man who is both the source and enforcer of morality.

I hold the view that the threat of punishment is a valid means of shaping conscience, however, the laws/moral laws need to be objective and meaningful otherwise we're being controlled by other people's ideologies/ethical codes.

[Jenifer Johnson]

Originally Posted by Linzyhop

isn't it possible to just believe in "god" without it/him/her being the OT or NT "God"?

Yes, Truth is the most important thing in one's life. Therefore, My God is truth.

Because Judaism created monotheism, God has been kidnaped to mean their God. When in reality, the Bible God is a fraud. The best way to make the distinction is to call it the "Bible GOD", which is a sociopathic tyrant criminal.

[DavidHenry]

Originally Posted by Jenifer Johnson

Yes, Truth is the most important thing in one's life. Therefore, My God is "Bible GOD", which is a sociopathic tyrant criminal.

Weakness, meekness and suffering are often virtues of various religions
Sociopaths like people to suffer both psychologically and physically, so I think your description has real merit Ms Johnson

[Jenifer Johnson]

Originally Posted by DavidHenry

Weakness, meekness and suffering are often virtues of various religions
Sociopaths like people to suffer both psychologically and physically, so I think your description has real merit Ms Johnson

Exactly. When you put the OT and then the NT in its proper perspective, they are only the left and right side of the same collectivist paradigm, which are used as a dialectic for collective control. The OT creates the Sociopaths and the NT creates the weak and meek, like the ying and yang.

[jimeigh]

Originally Posted by Linzyhop

i'd like to think of god as a force, a life force behind science and math and life in general. a force inside everything and everyone. i don't really think of god as a tangible figure.

your concept of god is pointless. an aesthetic sensibility, sort of clinging to a silly sentimentality.

[jimeigh]

Originally Posted by Linzyhop

morality? i just believe in common sense and karma. you shouldn't do something bad because it's bad, not because you're scared of being punished or the threat of going to "hell"...

you believe in karma?

so then, would you think if you went around all day acting like a dick to people, that they probably had it coming?

[jimeigh]

Originally Posted by Jenifer Johnson

Yes, Truth is the most important thing in one's life. Therefore, My God is truth.

Because Judaism created monotheism, God has been kidnaped to mean their God. When in reality, the Bible God is a fraud. The best way to make the distinction is to call it the "Bible GOD", which is a sociopathic tyrant criminal.

juaism did not create monotheism.


for example, a short while under the pharoah Akhenaten, they worshiped one single god, Aten the sun-disk.

Aten - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[Jenifer Johnson]

Originally Posted by jimeigh

juaism did not create monotheism.

In the context of what is still believed today.

[DavidHenry]

....God cannot be disproved as it's undefined , IOW, if someone said there was a large{dimension}, pink{colour} elephant{animal/unique appearance} on the moon{place}....at least in theory, I could attempt to disprove the pink elephants existence....but how on earth can I even attempt to disprove something that's undefined...?

That's why both theism and agnosticism are wrong, with agnosticism being the more honest sounding position, but no less illogical.

Science will NEVER determine the origin of the universe, cause the question is beyond it's scope, and also implies that something can come from nothing{impossible}, or that a creator exists{exposes one to an infinite regress}.....therefore, accepting the universe's existence as eternal is the only logical conclusion.

[jimeigh]

Originally Posted by Jenifer Johnson

In the context of what is still believed today.

ok. a lot of people believe it, but they're wrong.
the truth is much more valid and worthwhile.

for someone who claims to dislike the god of judaism as much as you do, you seem to like giving him more credit than he's due. right?

[Jenifer Johnson]

Originally Posted by jimeigh

for someone who claims to dislike the god of judaism

How does exposing the truth about the dogma of Judaism, equate to my like or dislike?

Emotions can only be felt by the person expressiing the emotion. Why are you defending Judaism with emotions?