Everyday I move a little closer to Agnosticism - Page 4

jimeigh · 01-13-2008, 08:16 PM

Originally Posted by Jenifer Johnson

How does exposing the truth about the dogma of Judaism, equate to my like or dislike?

my mistake. you called the god a sociopathic tyrant criminal, and i assumed you would dislike a character with those attributes. but, perhaps you dont.

Emotions can only be felt by the person expressiing the emotion. Why are you defending Judaism with emotions?

you're misunderstanding me. i am not defending judaism, i am merely correcting your mistake where you claimed that judaism created monotheism. it did not. and by saying you meant it only, "in the context of what is believed" you are perpetuating the misconception, rather than correcting the mistake.

Jenifer Johnson · 01-14-2008, 01:22 AM

Originally Posted by jimeigh

i assumed

And projected your emotions. "sociopathic tyrant criminal" is an expression of value. No where have I expressed my emotions.

Originally Posted by jimeigh

i am merely correcting your mistake where you claimed that judaism created monotheism. it did not..

Monotheism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In a Western context, the concept of "monotheism" tends to be dominated by the concept of the god of the Abrahamic religions

JJ: Because Judaism created monotheism, God has been kidnaped to mean their God.

The objective of my claim was to show that Judaism created monotheism to justify collective control over everyone, using "GOD", not the "Bible GOD".

You didn't understand what I meant.

Jenifer Johnson · 01-14-2008, 01:44 AM

Originally Posted by jimeigh

you called the god a sociopathic tyrant criminal, and i assumed
.

Exactly, assumed and projected emotions. No where have I expressed my emotions."sociopathic tyrant criminal" is an expression of value.

Originally Posted by jimeigh

i am merely correcting your mistake where you claimed that judaism created monotheism. it did not..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monotheism

In a Western context, the concept of "monotheism" tends to be dominated by the concept of the god of the Abrahamic religions

JJ: Because Judaism created monotheism, God has been kidnaped to mean their God.

The objective of the comment was to show that monotheism was created by Judaism to justify collective control. In stead of saying the "Bible GOD" they use "GOD" as though it is also your GOD, to have dominion over you too.

Linzyhop · 01-14-2008, 08:51 AM

Originally Posted by jimeigh

you believe in karma?

so then, would you think if you went around all day acting like a dick to people, that they probably had it coming?

no, and i'm thinking you already know that. if i choose to go around acting like a dick all day, something worse would come back to me... karma, like the golden rule, do unto others as you would have done unto yourself.

and frankly i don't act like a dick because i'm not one. not because it will come back to me, just cause i have no desire to be a dick.

Linzyhop · 01-14-2008, 08:52 AM

Originally Posted by jimeigh

your concept of god is pointless. an aesthetic sensibility, sort of clinging to a silly sentimentality.

right. because it's impossible to think that some force, something guided the universe to come together.

and i'm completely alone in this ideology.

jimeigh · 01-14-2008, 11:20 AM

Originally Posted by Linzyhop

right. because it's impossible to think that some force, something guided the universe to come together.

and i'm completely alone in this ideology.

no, i bet there are lots of other people like you who believe that. thing is, calling that something (if you think the "something" is a NATURAL force) "god" is a silly and pointless cling to sentimentality.

midas whale call the sun "god" while you're at it. you wouldnt be alone there, either.

Linzyhop · 01-14-2008, 11:24 AM

Originally Posted by jimeigh

no, i bet there are lots of other people like you who believe that. thing is, calling that something (if you think the "something" is a NATURAL force) "god" is a silly and pointless cling to sentimentality.

midas whale call the sun "god" while you're at it. you wouldnt be alone there, either.

why because god has to be a person? or being? whose rule is that?

all i know is that god is a higher power than us.

jimeigh · 01-14-2008, 11:24 AM

Originally Posted by Linzyhop

no, and i'm thinking you already know that. if i choose to go around acting like a dick all day, something worse would come back to me... karma, like the golden rule, do unto others as you would have done unto yourself.

and frankly i don't act like a dick because i'm not one. not because it will come back to me, just cause i have no desire to be a dick.

true, but in being a dick, those to whom you've been a dick to have gotten what was coming to them! right right?

jimeigh · 01-14-2008, 11:26 AM

Originally Posted by Linzyhop

why because god has to be a person? or being? whose rule is that?

all i know is that god is a higher power than us.

he needs to be supernatural. that's just what it means to be (a) god.

Linzyhop · 01-14-2008, 11:26 AM

Originally Posted by jimeigh

true, but in being a dick, those to whom you've been a dick to have gotten what was coming to them! right right?

no. by you being a dick, youll get whats coming to you irregardless. for them, it's just some asshole being a dick.

Linzyhop · 01-14-2008, 11:26 AM

Originally Posted by jimeigh

he needs to be supernatural. that's just what it means to be (a) god.

now god is supernatural? or above nature? what do you mean by supernatural?

jimeigh · 01-14-2008, 11:27 AM

Originally Posted by Linzyhop

for them, it's just some asshole being a dick.

because they deserved it!

Linzyhop · 01-14-2008, 11:27 AM

Originally Posted by jimeigh

because they deserved it!

obviously you dont understand karma.

jimeigh · 01-14-2008, 11:28 AM

Originally Posted by Linzyhop

now god is supernatural? or above nature? what do you mean by supernatural?

what i mean by supernatural, is the excuse that people came up with for why God cannot be proven to exist in the natural world.

jimeigh · 01-14-2008, 11:29 AM

Originally Posted by Linzyhop

obviously you dont understand karma.

Linzyhop · 01-14-2008, 11:38 AM

Originally Posted by jimeigh

what i mean by supernatural, is the excuse that people came up with for why God cannot be proven to exist in the natural world.

um. what?

Linzyhop · 01-14-2008, 11:39 AM

Originally Posted by jimeigh

if people are assholes to you, that just comes back at them. to you, its just someone being an asshole. karma is about what you do, and when you're good to other people it comes back to you. more often than not it balances itself out.

i think my free tv had something to do with karma.

jimeigh · 01-14-2008, 02:49 PM

Originally Posted by Linzyhop

um. what?

calling god "supernatural" is the excuse that people came up with for why God cannot be proven to exist in the natural world.

This is because there is no evidence of God in the natural world.

jimeigh · 01-14-2008, 02:49 PM

Originally Posted by Linzyhop

if people are assholes to you, that just comes back at them. to you, its just someone being an asshole. karma is about what you do, and when you're good to other people it comes back to you. more often than not it balances itself out.

yes yes, we all know that according to karma if im a jackass to people i'll get what's coming to me.

but as for the person who gets treated badly because of my jackassery... what's to say that the way i treated him wasnt a result of bad karma he's earned? maybe he got what was coming to him, as well.

hmm?

Originally Posted by Linzyhop

i think my free tv had something to do with karma.

Linzyhop · 01-15-2008, 09:43 AM

Originally Posted by jimeigh

calling god "supernatural" is the excuse that people came up with for why God cannot be proven to exist in the natural world.

This is because there is no evidence of God in the natural world.

i dunno. i think the world being here, and the beauty all around us is evidence enough for me. to each their own.