A student asks Kerry a question and gets tasered

[WickedLou9]

Originally Posted by Stylerod

I think the guy was mental. Check out this video LiveLeak.com - Kerry Taser Incident....raw footage of after he was tasered and led away


There was no dealing with this guy. He wasn't going to do anything the Police said including leaving the room. Just as they were going to walk out of the room he broke free and tried to get away. It seems the tazer was the ONLY thing that allowed them to get control of the situation. Good for them.

He was definately mental. You can tell just by the way that he went on and on about stuff that he knew Kerry already knew. He just wanted to be a big shot like he was revealing something that no one knew gasp! Kerry won?! OMG@! This kid is right! Get him a medal! What a dink.

[Roonie]

Originally Posted by Kytro

You shouldn't have to do what anyone says so long as you obey the law

Exactly!! Not sure what law he was breaking? This wasn't some dark alley in a bad neighborhood. Or a lone car stop on a deserted highway. This was at a University and the kid was a student and obviously a strong Kerry supporter. The police wanted to charge him with inciting a riot (apparently that is the law he broke) what a joke.

[Stylerod]

Originally Posted by Roonie

Exactly!! Not sure what law he was breaking? This wasn't some dark alley in a bad neighborhood. Or a lone car stop on a deserted highway. This was at a University and the kid was a student and obviously a strong Kerry supporter. The police wanted to charge him with inciting a riot (apparently that is the law he broke) what a joke.

He didn't break any law until he started resisting leaving the hall. Once asked to leave and resisting he was trespassing and disturbing the peace (and maybe a few other things, like when he pushed the officers that were trying to get him to leave). He broke the law as soon as he refused to leave the hall when asked. Don't pretend not to know this.

[Roonie]

This is from another board.

I was there. Kerry gave a long speech, and there was a Q&A session afterwards for the students. This kid waited his turn in line, and was last to ask a question. He didn't jump in and "commandeer" the mic like said previously.

Sure, his questions were a bit off topic and presumptuous, but even as Kerry said "no, stop, I'll answer his question," the cops continued to drag him out. Meyer also clearly says, as he's being pinned down, "just let me go and I'll leave."

And to the poster who said that if an arm is in front of a person it's nearly impossible to pull it behind their back, both of Meyer's arms were behind his back before he was tased, FYI.

In the lobby of the auditorium, the police told him he was being arrested initially for "inciting a riot" (a third-degree felony) and also for resisting arrest. I did not see him inciting any riot before the police stepped in and grabbed his arms. The fact that he was told he was arrested for inciting a riot debunks any theories that the police were just initially trying to "escort him out."

Sure, he didn't handle himself as calmly as possible about the situation, but the fact remains that he was asking the questions everyone is afraid to ask but wants to. AND KERRY WAS WILLING TO ANSWER!

I think we will see that this incident crossed the boundaries and police used excessive force. Honestly what boggles my mind is people think this was an ok thing for the police to do. This was a Kerry supporter asking a question and raising his voice to do so. He was last on the list and waited his turn. I think this still points to a bigger issue that anyone who wants to speak out at political events can expect to get arrested. Regardless if you support that politician or not. You are no longer free to voice your opinion loudly.

[WickedLou9]

I am sure they also had some sort of reasonable time limit for questions. People didn't come to hear that clown grandstand about something he has no clue about. They came to hear Kerry talk and maybe answer a couple of questions. This clown was depriving every one else who came there of thier ability to do what they all took time out of thier days to do. He was asked to stop and he gave some mongloid remark about Kerry talking for hours and that he deserved to talk for a few minutes. Deserve? You deserve nothing you snot nosed little prick. Unfortunately for him no one wanted to hear his dumb ass talk and he didn't have any right to stand up there and hijack the entire presentation with his own lunatic opinions.
They asked him to stop and he didn't. At that point he became a tresspasser and I'm glad that they dragged that self righteous ass clown away to be tasered. They should taser more people like him. Maybe it will snap them out of the dream land that they are living in.

disclaimer:
it's early and I am grumpy and tired.

[Joe_Cool]

Originally Posted by motivez

If you listen, he said to let him up and he'd walk out, they didn't move and then the guy pulled out a taser and went after him.. then pulled him out.

Excessive force, was completely unneeded, the guy posed no threat to anyone.

Yet he kept thrashing around and resisting. You don't get to walk out peacefully once you've already resisted and been placed under arrest, and then resisted that. He was refusing to turn over and put his hands behind his back to be cuffed. That, my friend, is resisting arrest.

And, he was nothing but an attention whore trying to cause a scene. He wasn't "an enthusiastic supporter".

[Joe_Cool]

Originally Posted by WickedLou9

I am sure they also had some sort of reasonable time limit for questions. People didn't come to hear that clown grandstand about something he has no clue about. They came to hear Kerry talk and maybe answer a couple of questions. This clown was depriving every one else who came there of thier ability to do what they all took time out of thier days to do. He was asked to stop and he gave some mongloid remark about Kerry talking for hours and that he deserved to talk for a few minutes. Deserve? You deserve nothing you snot nosed little prick. Unfortunately for him no one wanted to hear his dumb ass talk and he didn't have any right to stand up there and hijack the entire presentation with his own lunatic opinions.
They asked him to stop and he didn't. At that point he became a tresspasser and I'm glad that they dragged that self righteous ass clown away to be tasered. They should taser more people like him. Maybe it will snap them out of the dream land that they are living in.

Did somebody post the video of him outside saying "They're giving me to the government! You ask them about me! Ask them where I am! I think they're going to kill me!"

What a jackass.

[Stylerod]

People who are trying to turn this into a free speech issue are jokes

Some people here seem to think that anyone should be allowed to hi-jack any political Q/A any time they want as long as they ask "questions everyone is afraid to ask". Sure, lets just get a long line of morons screaming "hard hitting questions" at a guest speaker all in the name of free speech. Of course, they will all think their ravings are more important than the Code Pink bitch next to him so he will scream louder to try to drown her out and the guy next to him will think his issue is much more important to be heard then the other guy and he will scream his comments. You just end up with a bunch of self important assholes trying to out do each other. Oh, and don't forget they all bring cam corders to record themselves being hero's of free speech

The only issue I see here is how the police handled the situation. I feel it's safer for the police, and maybe even the asshole, to tazer him. Once he resists and starts fighting, backup so you don't get hurt by the guy and make him submit by involuntary muscle contractions. It tires him out, clears the mind and makes things much less tense. Plus, once it's over it's over. There is no long term damage like a night stick to the head.

[hsmith]

Is it wrong for me wanting the guy to yell out "I'm being repressed!" like in Monty Pyton's for the LOL factor

[WickedLou9]

Originally Posted by hsmith

Is it wrong for me wanting the guy to yell out "I'm being repressed!" like in Monty Pyton's for the LOL factor

Now you can see the violence inherant in the system!

[hsmith]

Originally Posted by WickedLou9

Now you can see the violence inherant in the system!

Well I didn't vote for you!

[hsmith]

God I need to watch that again

[Joe_Cool]

Originally Posted by hsmith

Well I didn't vote for you!

You don't vote for kings!

[SoFlaJDM]

Originally Posted by Darko

Tasers are not painful and they inflict no damage.

TASER Danger?, 70 Deaths After Use Of Stun Gun Lead To Questions Over Its Safety - CBS News
TASER Danger?

70 Deaths After Use Of Stun Gun Lead To Questions Over Its Safety


(CBS) When CBS News Correspondent Wyatt Andews first started looking into police use of the TASER stun gun a year ago, the weapon had been connected to more than 40 deaths. The company that makes the weapon insisted that none of the deaths was the TASER's fault.

So, says Andrews, "We began asking, simply, how could that be? What was the real safety record of this weapon?"

"Today, in what clearly is a law-enforcement revolution, tens of thousands of police officers see the TASER as a godsend.

"The gun shoots two barbed fish hooks into the body, bringing 50 thousand volts. Most of the time, the suspect goes down--and the cop's revolver stays put."

"You can use it before you would have to use the revolver," asserts Rick Smith, CEO of TASER International. "If you have someone who has a knife, who is threatening other people but isn't quite at the level where you'd use lethal force, you'd pre-empt with the TASER, get them safely under control before it escalates."

But, Andrews points out, using the TASER to bring down a threatening suspect isn't always the way the gun is used.

In Glendale, Colo., Glen Leyba was on his apartment floor, thrashing violently. A police officer, hoping to control him, stunned him three times, before he died. While the coroner blamed a drug overdose, the family blames multiple, unnecessary electric shocks, Andrews reports.

Shelly Leyba, Glen's sister, says, "Glen was in a medical emergency, down on the ground, no threat."

find the rest of the article at the link

[Joe_Cool]

OMG 70?

First, I'm pretty sure the majority of them list the cause of death as something other than the taser shock.

Second, in 2003 there were 27,000 deaths caused by gunshots, and 17,000 caused by falls. So?

[SoFlaJDM]

Originally Posted by Joe_Cool

OMG 70?

First, I'm pretty sure the majority of them list the cause of death as something other than the taser shock.

Second, in 2003 there were 27,000 deaths caused by gunshots, and 17,000 caused by falls. So?

you're right man... almost 3800 coalition deaths... so what?

[WickedLou9]

Tasers are less dangerous than the war in Iraq. Obviosuly. And Falling is clearly more of a threat than the war in Iraq.

This just in. President bush withdraws troops to declare war on falling.

[Roonie]

It bothers me that no one here is questioning why they tased him after he was rolled over and cuffed and had 6 policemen kneeling on him. Why did they try and remove him in the first place. You "old school" guys seem to forget that unless you make waves there won't be any redirection. As annoying as this student was, didn't he ask legitimate questions? If you or any one else doesn't want to potentially be asked difficult and seemingly obscene questions, then don't put up a microphone. It just seems that this problem is helping to cover up an even bigger issue. No one watches the video and thinks about the questions, they watch and think this a$$ is disrupting a wealthy man while he tells us what to think. And the campus security or the cops felt that it was their duty to step in and bring order. Why would they make him leave? What gives them that right? The worse thing is that no one felt it was their duty to have him answer those questions. If you had questions you wanted answers to and you hadn't shown any kind of force, would you like the cops handling you for it, forcing you out because it sounded unruly? Does it really matter who the question is directed at? Don't add to the brainwashing by dismissing something as a product of misguided youth. Would you be man enough to do it, or does it take a "kid?"

[Linzyhop]

Originally Posted by Roonie

It bothers me that no one here is questioning why they tased him after he was rolled over and cuffed and had 6 policemen kneeling on him. Why did they try and remove him in the first place. You "old school" guys seem to forget that unless you make waves there won't be any redirection. As annoying as this student was, didn't he ask legitimate questions? If you or any one else doesn't want to potentially be asked difficult and seemingly obscene questions, then don't put up a microphone. It just seems that this problem is helping to cover up an even bigger issue. No one watches the video and thinks about the questions, they watch and think this a$$ is disrupting a wealthy man while he tells us what to think. And the campus security or the cops felt that it was their duty to step in and bring order. Why would they make him leave? What gives them that right? The worse thing is that no one felt it was their duty to have him answer those questions. If you had questions you wanted answers to and you hadn't shown any kind of force, would you like the cops handling you for it, forcing you out because it sounded unruly? Does it really matter who the question is directed at? Don't add to the brainwashing by dismissing something as a product of misguided youth. Would you be man enough to do it, or does it take a "kid?"

I did. I think it was a good question. i think he was trying to make a point and he seemed like a real kerry supporter and wanted to know why kerry conceded the election that early......

i think the kid was harmless and the only reason he was getting louder is because people were shouting at him to leave and shut up and whatnot.