Not to be outdone by Hilary, Bush will push for Universal Health Care

hsmith · 09-18-2007, 09:05 PM

Donklephant » Blog Archive » Could Bush Steal “Universal Health Coverage” Fire?

Clinton unveiled her plan as Health and Human Services Secretary Mike Leavitt said President Bush wants to achieve universal health care before he leaves office.

Leavitt told the USA TODAY editorial board that Bush will veto a Democratic plan emerging from Congress that would add $35 billion in taxpayer subsidies to the Children’s Health Insurance Program over five years. In doing so, Leavitt said, Bush will urge Congress to join him in seeking coverage for all Americans.

“He’d like to see the larger debate begin,” Leavitt said. “The very best opportunity we have may well be in the next 15 months.”

For one, I can't believe no one is talking about the Clinton annoucnement, but now Bush

I mean, FEMA, IRS, Social Security and you people want to hand your HEALTH to the government?

Stylerod · 09-18-2007, 09:06 PM

Ok, I've changed my mind. Let's impeach Bush. What an asswipe.

hsmith · 09-18-2007, 09:10 PM

Originally Posted by Stylerod

Ok, I've changed my mind. Let's impeach Bush. What an asswipe.

I don't even get the point of me going to work every day.

I can get housing, food, and now health care for free. Why should I do a damned thing for myself?

Donkey® · 09-18-2007, 09:11 PM

Yes, let's be overly dramatic.

hsmith · 09-18-2007, 09:15 PM

Originally Posted by Donkey®

Yes, let's be overly dramatic.

Please point me to a success in the federal government that you would want caring for your health.

hsmith · 09-18-2007, 09:40 PM

I for one can't wait to pay 4x what I pay for health insurance now and have subpar service.

I can't wait!

motivez · 09-18-2007, 09:42 PM

I'm sure those people who are unable to afford health care can't either.

6SpeedTA95 · 09-18-2007, 09:42 PM

Originally Posted by hsmith

Donklephant » Blog Archive » Could Bush Steal “Universal Health Coverage” Fire?

For one, I can't believe no one is talking about the Clinton annoucnement, but now Bush

I mean, FEMA, IRS, Social Security and you people want to hand your HEALTH to the government?

Who's not talking about hillarys plan? It was on ABC this morning, this afternoon, Foxnews, CNN and all over the internet?

6SpeedTA95 · 09-18-2007, 09:44 PM

Originally Posted by motivez

I'm sure those people who are unable to afford health care can't either.

So you're willing to risk destruction of the healthcare (and good healthcare at that) for 86% of americans so that 14% of americans can have some sort of healthcare? Makes no sense.

hsmith · 09-18-2007, 09:47 PM

Originally Posted by motivez

I'm sure those people who are unable to afford health care can't either.

I don't see how you can be willing to risk your health.

Sorry, the system needs to be fixed by removing government, not introducing more.

More government in the most regulated industry in the country is going to destroy it.

hsmith · 09-18-2007, 09:47 PM

Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95

Who's not talking about hillarys plan? It was on ABC this morning, this afternoon, Foxnews, CNN and all over the internet?

nothing on here about it

hsmith · 09-18-2007, 09:48 PM

i am interested in the differences between the French system (which is supposedly great) and the UK system (which is shit)

6SpeedTA95 · 09-18-2007, 09:48 PM

Originally Posted by hsmith

nothing on here about it

I posted a thread about it a few hours ago.

Scrum · 09-18-2007, 11:17 PM

I'm not a fan of universal healthcare, but I'm kind of pissed that he's vetoing the bill.

Children's health insurance programs are as far as I support a government run system.

JaJae · 09-18-2007, 11:31 PM

Originally Posted by hsmith

I don't see how you can be willing to risk your health.

Sorry, the system needs to be fixed by removing government, not introducing more.

More government in the most regulated industry in the country is going to destroy it.

Correct. The reason our health care system is sucking is because of government involvement. Rather than adding more, we should learn from our mistakes and correct the problem rather than compound it to socialistically absurd levels.

DosEquis · 09-19-2007, 12:13 AM

Are we questioning the efficiency of government vs. private corporations again? Really? Do we really really think that corporations are more efficient than government? What evidence do we have to support that? Sicko "documents" the inefficiencies in the corporate environment when it comes to health care. Hell, the bureacracy at my company has delayed putting two print servers in the rack in the data center for 6 weeks. Why do we trust the big bad inefficient machine of government to defend our country?

Personally I think choosing between insurance and government health care is about like choosing between a shit sandwich and shit soup. They both suck. They are both bloated, expensive, and inefficient. Insurance makes money by people paying premiums and then not covering people. The more they take in without covering people, the more they are considered a success (profitable) business. I am not sure a for profit insurance coupled with supply and demand is the best approach when it comes to health care. Demand is always going to be on the increase as the population grows and our unhealthy habits remain unchanged. Either way we all pay for it, whether it be in taxes or increased insurance premiums.

nbiggershaft · 09-19-2007, 12:21 AM

This smells of not being what it seems. He's vetoing children's heath coverage in a push for emmediate universal health coverage? Something tells me it's not quite the way the story tells.

hsmith · 09-19-2007, 12:27 AM

Originally Posted by DosEquis

Are we questioning the efficiency of government vs. private corporations again? Really? Do we really really think that corporations are more efficient than government? What evidence do we have to support that? Sicko "documents" the inefficiencies in the corporate environment when it comes to health care. Hell, the bureacracy at my company has delayed putting two print servers in the rack in the data center for 6 weeks. Why do we trust the big bad inefficient machine of government to defend our country?

Personally I think choosing between insurance and government health care is about like choosing between a shit sandwich and shit soup. They both suck. They are both bloated, expensive, and inefficient. Insurance makes money by people paying premiums and then not covering people. The more they take in without covering people, the more they are considered a success (profitable) business. I am not sure a for profit insurance coupled with supply and demand is the best approach when it comes to health care. Demand is always going to be on the increase as the population grows and our unhealthy habits remain unchanged. Either way we all pay for it, whether it be in taxes or increased insurance premiums.

Health care is inefficient for one single reason, the gov't.

Lasik eye surgery has minimal gov't intervention, no subsidies, doesn't accept insurance and the cost has constantly gone down to a point where everyone can afford it.

Gov't has made the health care industry more expensive and insurance has profited from it. More of either of them is not the solution. HMO's were the gov'ts solution to the medical issues of past and look where that got us.

Kytro · 09-19-2007, 06:11 AM

Originally Posted by hsmith

I don't even get the point of me going to work every day.

I can get housing, food, and now health care for free. Why should I do a damned thing for myself?

Because it'd be suckful boring otherwise. I'd hate to work only because I *had* to

WickedLou9 · 09-19-2007, 06:32 AM

Originally Posted by hsmith

I don't even get the point of me going to work every day.

I can get housing, food, and now health care for free. Why should I do a damned thing for myself?

Sure if you want to live in abject poverty. Be my guest. do nothing, live off the government dole and be poverty striken for the rtest of your life. Sign me up while you are at it.