More excessive police force: Woman in Wheelchair Dies from Taser - Page 2

WickedLou9 · 09-20-2007, 02:13 PM

Originally Posted by Stylerod

I didn't think so.

Safety Issues
The weapons should be used only on people (1) actively resisting or exhibiting active aggression or (2) at risk of harming themselves or others, according to PERF. And the fact that a subject is fleeing should not be the sole justification for police to use the weapons. The weapons should not be used:
1. on passive subjects;
2. on pregnant women, elderly persons, young children, or visibly frail individuals (except under exigent circumstances);
3. on handcuffed individuals (unless they are actively resisting or exhibiting active aggression or at risk of harming themselves or anyone else);
4. on anyone located where a fall may cause substantial injury or death (except under exigent circumstances);
5. on anyone in physical control of a moving vehicle, including cars, trucks, motorcycles, ATVs, bicycles, and scooters, (except under exigent circumstances); or
6. in any area known to contain combustible or flammable liquids or substance.

Stylerod · 09-20-2007, 02:22 PM

Originally Posted by WickedLou9

Taser Use Guidelines

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Thank you. You missed this part.

Safety Issues
The weapons should be used only on people (1) actively resisting or exhibiting active aggression or (2) at risk of harming themselves or others, according to PERF. And the fact that a subject is fleeing should not be the sole justification for police to use the weapons. The weapons should not be used:
1. on passive subjects;
2. on pregnant women, elderly persons, young children, or visibly frail individuals (except under exigent circumstances);
3. on handcuffed individuals (unless they are actively resisting or exhibiting active aggression or at risk of harming themselves or anyone else);
4. on anyone located where a fall may cause substantial injury or death (except under exigent circumstances);
5. on anyone in physical control of a moving vehicle, including cars, trucks, motorcycles, ATVs, bicycles, and scooters, (except under exigent circumstances); or
6. in any area known to contain combustible or flammable liquids or substance.

WickedLou9 · 09-20-2007, 02:25 PM

Originally Posted by Stylerod

Thank you. You missed this part.

I don't know what that means.

extreme? regardless, an elderly woman in a wheel chair, even if weilding a knife, could be easily subdued by a single person. Wrap your arm in a thick towel, use that to shield yourself from the knive, and then grab the frail old womans arm and take the knife. She didn't need to be tasered. Especially considering the likely hood of death.

Stylerod · 09-20-2007, 02:32 PM

Originally Posted by WickedLou9

I don't know what that means. extreme? regardless, an elderly woman in a wheel chair, even if weilding a knife, could be easily subdued by a single person. Wrap your arm in a thick towel, use that to shield yourself from the knive, and then grab the frail old womans arm and take the knife. She didn't need to be tasered. Especially considering the likely hood of death.

ex·i·gent
adj.
Requiring immediate action or remedy. See Synonyms at urgent.

Again, that's easy for you to say sitting at your desk and knowing you will never be in that situation. I'm sure you would be the hero to wrap a towel around your arm and rush a mad woman wielding knives and a hammer. Please.....

WickedLou9 · 09-20-2007, 03:26 PM

Originally Posted by Stylerod

Again, that's easy for you to say sitting at your desk and knowing you will never be in that situation. I'm sure you would be the hero to wrap a towel around your arm and rush a mad woman wielding knives and a hammer. Please.....

A mad elderly woman in a wheel chair man. A child could subdue her with a garden hose and a blanket.

Stylerod · 09-20-2007, 03:41 PM

Originally Posted by WickedLou9

A mad elderly woman in a wheel chair man. A child could subdue her with a garden hose and a blanket.

With knives that is stabbing herself and anyone else that gets near her. Sure Lou. You send your kid with a blanket and a garden hose and tell us how that turns out

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WickedLou9 · 09-20-2007, 03:47 PM

Originally Posted by Stylerod

With knives that is stabbing herself and anyone else that gets near her. Sure Lou. You send your kid with a blanket and a garden hose and tell us how that turns out .

Have you ever heard of Hyperbole?

Publius · 09-20-2007, 03:52 PM

Originally Posted by WickedLou9

Have you ever heard of Hyperbole?

of course he has, he used it earlier in this very thread.

Simius · 09-20-2007, 03:59 PM

Originally Posted by WickedLou9

A mad elderly woman in a wheel chair man. A child could subdue her with a garden hose and a blanket.

You've obviously never worked with the elderly. They can be pretty strong and quick. Plus, since she is armed with a knife, it would be foolish to rush her and get within striking distance. Unless having the headline be "Cop killed by cripple in wheel chair" is better than the headline in this story.

I dunno. I see no reason not to taze someone just because they are in a wheel chair, especially when they are threatening others and hurting them self. I think the real problem is cops view tazers as a magic tool and aren't aware enough of the drawbacks and risks of using it. If the cops involved were more aware of the risks maybe they could have come up with a better plan to disarm her than just repeatedly shocking her.

WickedLou9 · 09-20-2007, 04:12 PM

Originally Posted by Simius

You've obviously never worked with the elderly. They can be pretty strong and quick. Plus, since she is armed with a knife, it would be foolish to rush her and get within striking distance. Unless having the headline be "Cop killed by cripple in wheel chair" is better than the headline in this story.

I dunno. I see no reason not to taze someone just because they are in a wheel chair, especially when they are threatening others and hurting them self. I think the real problem is cops view tazers as a magic tool and aren't aware enough of the drawbacks and risks of using it. If the cops involved were more aware of the risks maybe they could have come up with a better plan to disarm her than just repeatedly shocking her.

Since she was in a wheel chair it would have been easy to immoblize her with small sticks or blocks placed in her path. once she was stationary a large blanket could have been thrown over her and pulled tight without placing anyone in danger. There are probably 100 ways you could subdue an irrational eldery woman in a wheel chair. Tasing was simply unnecesary.
They should use the least amount of force they can and still get thier job done. Shit, get a rope have two officers hold either end and just start walking around her in circles untill she is tied up.

It's not like she can run away or kick someone or lunge or anything.

Simius · 09-20-2007, 04:16 PM

Originally Posted by WickedLou9

Since she was in a wheel chair it would have been easy to immoblize her with small sticks or blocks placed in her path. once she was stationary a large blanket could have been thrown over her and pulled tight without placing anyone in danger. There are probably 100 ways you could subdue an irrational eldery woman in a wheel chair. Tasing was simply unnecesary.
They should use the least amount of force they can and still get thier job done. Shit, get a rope have two officers hold either end and just start walking around her in circles untill she is tied up. It's not like she can run away or kick someone or lunge or anything.

I think a couple of shots from the tazer is fine. But when they didn't work they should have tried something else. I like the walk around her with a rope idea. lol.

Stylerod · 09-20-2007, 04:58 PM

Originally Posted by WickedLou9

Since she was in a wheel chair it would have been easy to immoblize her with small sticks or blocks placed in her path. once she was stationary a large blanket could have been thrown over her and pulled tight without placing anyone in danger. There are probably 100 ways you could subdue an irrational eldery woman in a wheel chair. Tasing was simply unnecesary.
They should use the least amount of force they can and still get thier job done. Shit, get a rope have two officers hold either end and just start walking around her in circles untill she is tied up. It's not like she can run away or kick someone or lunge or anything.

But how long does that take? And all the while she is still hurting herself. I can tell you if you throw a blanket on me it will take seconds to get it off. She's not a baby black bear.

Walk around her in circles

I'm dying here!!!

I can see the look she would give the police as they ran around her while she just lifted the rope over her head again and again so it wouldn't wrap around her. BWWAHHHAAAAAAA This image is priceless!!!!

Oh shit, too funny. Oh - my - god. Tears...... Thanks Lou. That made my afternoon.....

I gotta send this to Reno 911 and see if they will use it at the biginning of their show.

WickedLou9 · 09-20-2007, 05:11 PM

Originally Posted by Stylerod

But how long does that take? And all the while she is still hurting herself. I can tell you if you throw a blanket on me it will take seconds to get it off. She's not a baby black bear.

Walk around her in circles I'm dying here!!! I can see the look she would give the police as they ran around her while she just lifted the rope over her head again and again so it wouldn't wrap around her. BWWAHHHAAAAAAA This image is priceless!!!! Oh shit, too funny. Oh - my - god. Tears...... Thanks Lou. That made my afternoon.....

I gotta send this to Reno 911 and see if they will use it at the biginning of their show.

I give up. If you think the only way to restrain a frail old woman in a wheel chair requires the use of a taser I don't know what else to say. It's so clearly an insane proposition that the mere fact you want to defend it compels me not to argue any further.

Ardentfrost · 09-20-2007, 05:44 PM

Originally Posted by Stylerod

But how long does that take? And all the while she is still hurting herself.

Well, she's not hurting herself now, is she? I guess the taser worked then.

kinggovernor · 09-20-2007, 07:14 PM

I don't really have a problem with this, if they didn't have a taser they would have shot her anyways

Stylerod · 09-20-2007, 10:01 PM

Originally Posted by Ardentfrost

Well, she's not hurting herself now, is she? I guess the taser worked then.

Kytro · 09-21-2007, 12:49 AM

Damn police using excessive force, trust them less and less every day, and I havn't even had a negative exprience

Diesel66 · 09-21-2007, 08:22 AM

Originally Posted by Kytro

Damn police using excessive force, trust them less and less every day, and I havn't even had a negative exprience

What excessive force ? They had the right to shoot her. They tried a less lethal method and it ended up killing her accidently.