Transcript: Ahmaninejad Interview on 60 Minutes

[Ardentfrost]

Originally Posted by Donkey®

Complete horseshit. You guys throw up the whole "HE WANTS TO KILL TEH JEWS AND DESTROY ISRAEL!!!" thing ALL THE TIME...and those were nothing but words...twisted and spun words at that. His actions show NO aggression towards Israel at all. His actions show NO aggression towards Jews at all. You guys can't even keep your shit straight.

Not to mention that Iranian scholars have said that he was misinterpreted in the "wipe Isreal off the map" quote. He certainly wants Isreal gone, but the translation that the media gobbled up makes it sound hostile, where his use was more metaphoric and not to be taken as a threat.

[SoFlaJDM]

Originally Posted by Donkey®

Here we go with the Hitler talk. Last time I checked we were the last ones to invade a country and install our way of life.

he won't respond to logic... see my post

[Ardentfrost]

Originally Posted by SoFlaJDM

but he said he wants to wipe them off the map!!!!!!!

Read above

[SoFlaJDM]

Originally Posted by Ardentfrost

Read above

i know

i'm just saying that's all they have to fall back on... the wipe israel off the map, no matter how many times you debunk it

[RMNIXON]

Originally Posted by Ardentfrost

What actions specifically?

Thank you for actually asking:


Tensions already are extremely high because of Iran's headlong rush to go nuclear. In fending off sanctions and possible military action, President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has chosen a radically aggressive campaign to assemble, deploy, flaunt and partially activate Iran's proxies in the Arab Middle East:

— Hamas launching rockets into Israeli towns and villages across the border from the Gaza Strip. Its intention is to invite an Israeli reaction, preferably a bloody and telegenic ground assault.

— Hezbollah heavily rearmed with Iranian rockets transshipped through Syria and preparing for the next round of fighting with Israel. The Third Lebanon War, now inevitable, awaits only Tehran's order.

— Syria, Iran's only Arab client state, building up forces across the Golan Heights frontier with Israel. And on Wednesday, yet another anti-Syrian member of Lebanon's parliament was killed in a massive car bombing.

— The al-Quds Force of the Iranian Revolutionary Guards training and equipping Shiite extremist militias in Iraq in the use of the deadliest IEDs and rocketry against American and Iraqi troops. Iran also is helping the Taliban to attack NATO forces in Afghanistan.

Why is Iran doing this? Because it has its eye on a single prize: the bomb. It needs a bit more time, knowing that once it goes nuclear, it becomes the regional superpower and Persian Gulf hegemon.

Iran's assets in Gaza, Lebanon, Syria and Iraq are poised and ready. Ahmadinejad's message is this: If anyone dares attack our nuclear facilities, we will fully activate our proxies, unleashing unrestrained destruction on Israel, moderate Arabs, Iraq and U.S. interests, in addition to the usual tactics, such as mining the Strait of Hormuz and causing an acute oil crisis and worldwide recession.

This is an extremely high-stakes game. The time window is narrow. In probably less than two years, Ahmadinejad will have the bomb. The world is not quite ready to acquiesce. The new president of France has declared a nuclear Iran "unacceptable." The French foreign minister warned that "it is necessary to prepare for the worst" — and "the worst, it's war, sir."


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Why we see some crying of tears over Civil Rights in Iran you are missing the bigger picture. The more dangerous one. I recommend the entire column.

[Ardentfrost]

Originally Posted by SoFlaJDM

i know

i'm just saying that's all they have to fall back on... the wipe israel off the map, no matter how many times you debunk it

Haha, dammit, I thought it was Stylerod who had posted that. I would have known you were being sarcastic.

But just to further the point...

Just How Far Did They Go, Those Words Against Israel? - New York Times

[motivez]

Originally Posted by Ardentfrost

Not to mention that Iranian scholars have said that he was misinterpreted in the "wipe Isreal off the map" quote. He certainly wants Isreal gone, but the translation that the media gobbled up makes it sound hostile, where his use was more metaphoric and not to be taken as a threat.

I tried to make that point in the last thread, people essentially stuck their fingers in their ears and said "I like my dislike for this person more than I do the truth"

The "wipe of the map" is an American colloquialism, and the original translation from what he actually said in Farsi was poor.. and the context (being time) was lost in translation.

Also, one point that most people seem to miss entirely is that Ahmadinejad was actually quoting Khomeni.

[RMNIXON]

Originally Posted by Ardentfrost

Not to mention that Iranian scholars have said that he was misinterpreted in the "wipe Isreal off the map" quote. He certainly wants Isreal gone, but the translation that the media gobbled up makes it sound hostile, where his use was more metaphoric and not to be taken as a threat.

OK, maybe they can all just go away quietly and nobody gets hurt? Would you care to explain what he did mean? Because when you suggest a State does not have a right to exist and should not exist in anyway you are talking about the fate of the people in it. Somehow I doubt he simply wants the current government removed and they all live in peace and harmony with the jewish people afterward. But I guess I could possibly be wrong?

[Ardentfrost]

Originally Posted by RMNIXON

Thank you for actually asking:


Tensions already are extremely high because of Iran's headlong rush to go nuclear. In fending off sanctions and possible military action, President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has chosen a radically aggressive campaign to assemble, deploy, flaunt and partially activate Iran's proxies in the Arab Middle East:

— Hamas launching rockets into Israeli towns and villages across the border from the Gaza Strip. Its intention is to invite an Israeli reaction, preferably a bloody and telegenic ground assault.

— Hezbollah heavily rearmed with Iranian rockets transshipped through Syria and preparing for the next round of fighting with Israel. The Third Lebanon War, now inevitable, awaits only Tehran's order.

— Syria, Iran's only Arab client state, building up forces across the Golan Heights frontier with Israel. And on Wednesday, yet another anti-Syrian member of Lebanon's parliament was killed in a massive car bombing.

— The al-Quds Force of the Iranian Revolutionary Guards training and equipping Shiite extremist militias in Iraq in the use of the deadliest IEDs and rocketry against American and Iraqi troops. Iran also is helping the Taliban to attack NATO forces in Afghanistan.

Why is Iran doing this? Because it has its eye on a single prize: the bomb. It needs a bit more time, knowing that once it goes nuclear, it becomes the regional superpower and Persian Gulf hegemon.

Iran's assets in Gaza, Lebanon, Syria and Iraq are poised and ready. Ahmadinejad's message is this: If anyone dares attack our nuclear facilities, we will fully activate our proxies, unleashing unrestrained destruction on Israel, moderate Arabs, Iraq and U.S. interests, in addition to the usual tactics, such as mining the Strait of Hormuz and causing an acute oil crisis and worldwide recession.

This is an extremely high-stakes game. The time window is narrow. In probably less than two years, Ahmadinejad will have the bomb. The world is not quite ready to acquiesce. The new president of France has declared a nuclear Iran "unacceptable." The French foreign minister warned that "it is necessary to prepare for the worst" — and "the worst, it's war, sir."


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Why we see some crying of tears over Civil Rights in Iran you are missing the bigger picture. The more dangerous one. I recommend the entire column.

IF what he says in the interview I posted is true, then he is open to the IAEA coming and inspecting further what exactly they're doing. I hope that they do, as I am COMPLETELY ok with them "going nuclear" as long as the nuclear they go to is power, not bombs. No one should be restricted from nuclear power just because we're scared of bombs (which, if you read his thoughts on bombs, I COMPLETELY agree with him... nuclear bombs accomplish nothing at this point in time, and they're pretty much a waste of money to create).

As for Isreal, I still say that the people of that region need to sort it out without Western intervention. I'm convinced that the only reason we want them to have the land is because it's prophesied in the Bible that it would happen, but in my opinion, they don't *have* the land if they need us to keep it. I don't think that there would be a mass extermination of Jews, as all of these countries have Jews that live within their borders peacefully, but I do think Isreal would be forced to FINALLY make some deals with neighboring nations and keep a friendly relationship instead of being the short guy of the middle east.

[Donkey®]

Originally Posted by RMNIXON

Thank you for actually asking:


Tensions already are extremely high because of Iran's headlong rush to go nuclear. In fending off sanctions and possible military action, President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has chosen a radically aggressive campaign to assemble, deploy, flaunt and partially activate Iran's proxies in the Arab Middle East:

Sensationalism FTG!!!

Originally Posted by RMNIXON

— Hamas launching rockets into Israeli towns and villages across the border from the Gaza Strip. Its intention is to invite an Israeli reaction, preferably a bloody and telegenic ground assault.

What? Like last time when Iran threw caution to the wind and joined the brothers in attacking Israel? Oh wait...didn't happen.

Originally Posted by RMNIXON

— Hezbollah heavily rearmed with Iranian rockets transshipped through Syria and preparing for the next round of fighting with Israel. The Third Lebanon War, now inevitable, awaits only Tehran's order.

What? Iran sells arms? OMG...who else does that? Let me see...

Originally Posted by RMNIXON

— Syria, Iran's only Arab client state, building up forces across the Golan Heights frontier with Israel. And on Wednesday, yet another anti-Syrian member of Lebanon's parliament was killed in a massive car bombing.

Syria has nothing to do with Iran. They are two separate countries.

Originally Posted by RMNIXON

— The al-Quds Force of the Iranian Revolutionary Guards training and equipping Shiite extremist militias in Iraq in the use of the deadliest IEDs and rocketry against American and Iraqi troops. Iran also is helping the Taliban to attack NATO forces in Afghanistan.

So the Americans are ONLY being attacked using Iranian weapons? No Russian weapons? No Chinese or Korean weapons? None of our own weapons? The answer to all those questions is no. ALL TYPES OF WEAPONS FROM ALL TYPES OF COUNTRIES ARE BEING USED. Melodrama.

Originally Posted by RMNIXON

Why is Iran doing this? Because it has its eye on a single prize: the bomb. It needs a bit more time, knowing that once it goes nuclear, it becomes the regional superpower and Persian Gulf hegemon.

OR, maybe it's all bullshit? Seems to me a smarter way of doing things would be to lay low, not cause any bullshit, and develop whatever we want. But no...Iran and the monkeys that run the country thinks it's smart to draw all sorts of attention to itself and THEN develop weapons while everyone is watching.

Originally Posted by RMNIXON

Iran's assets in Gaza, Lebanon, Syria and Iraq are poised and ready. Ahmadinejad's message is this: If anyone dares attack our nuclear facilities, we will fully activate our proxies, unleashing unrestrained destruction on Israel, moderate Arabs, Iraq and U.S. interests, in addition to the usual tactics, such as mining the Strait of Hormuz and causing an acute oil crisis and worldwide recession.

The, the orcs launch an all out attack across Mordor...

Originally Posted by RMNIXON

This is an extremely high-stakes game. The time window is narrow. In probably less than two years, Ahmadinejad will have the bomb. The world is not quite ready to acquiesce. The new president of France has declared a nuclear Iran "unacceptable." The French foreign minister warned that "it is necessary to prepare for the worst" — and "the worst, it's war, sir."

France. Normally we say France is full of shit...but now we accept what they have to say? Why? They have such a stellar history in the realm of world policy? Right.

Originally Posted by RMNIXON

Why we see some crying of tears over Civil Rights in Iran you are missing the bigger picture. The more dangerous one. I recommend the entire column.

I'll pass. It's clearly full of shit.

[Ardentfrost]

Originally Posted by RMNIXON

OK, maybe they can all just go away quietly and nobody gets hurt? Would you care to explain what he did mean? Because when you suggest a State does not have a right to exist and should not exist in anyway you are talking about the fate of the people in it. Somehow I doubt he simply wants the current government removed and they all live in peace and harmony with the jewish people afterward. But I guess I could possibly be wrong?

That is what he said in the interview I posted originally. He blames administrations, not the people of a nation (he even expresses his love the the American people in the very first thing he says, and sympathizes with those of us that don't like the current administration, which is the majority of Americans)

[Donkey®]

Originally Posted by motivez

I tried to make that point in the last thread, people essentially stuck their fingers in their ears and said "I like my dislike for this person more than I do the truth"

The "wipe of the map" is an American colloquialism, and the original translation from what he actually said in Farsi was poor.. and the context (being time) was lost in translation.

Also, one point that most people seem to miss entirely is that Ahmadinejad was actually quoting Khomeni.

I've been saying it for way longer than that. I was ignored last year...all the correct meanings and translations have been out there for quite some time. I am glad this bandwagon is finally gaining additional members.

[motivez]

Ardent, why should Iran open themselves up for IAEA inspections, when we share nuclear technology with other countries who aren't signatories to the NPT (ie: India), thus violating the treaty?

If we don't respect it, why should they?

I don't think either Pakistan or India open themselves up for IAEA inspectors, and we certainly don't.

[Donkey®]

Originally Posted by motivez

Ardent, why should Iran open themselves up for IAEA inspections, when we share nuclear technology with other countries who aren't signatories to the NPT (ie: India), thus violating the treaty?

If we don't respect it, why should they?

I don't think either Pakistan or India open themselves up for IAEA inspectors, and we certainly don't.

The "argument" is "they signed the treaty" so while that is a point, they can choose to leave at any time. We signed the treaty as well and we ignore it. So I don't even see the purpose of it.

[Ardentfrost]

Originally Posted by motivez

Ardent, why should Iran open themselves up for IAEA inspections, when we share nuclear technology with other countries who aren't signatories to the NPT (ie: India), thus violating the treaty?

If we don't respect it, why should they?

I don't think either Pakistan or India open themselves up for IAEA inspectors, and we certainly don't.

I don't think they should, but he said they haven't really looked thoroughly at their systems, and Iran wasn't going to stand in their way if they wanted to. Iran is a member of IAEA, and inspections have happened as late as last month.

No one has any right to prevent them from enriching uranium to serve the purpose of power. Nuclear is the most efficient and prevalent (when taking yield into account) type of power there is (not to mention how clean it can be), and every country on earth that can sustain it should use it.

[motivez]

And in your mind, who has the right to prevent them, or any sovereign nation from enriching uranium to serve the purpose of bomb making?

[Ardentfrost]

Originally Posted by motivez

And in your mind, who has the right to prevent them, or any sovereign nation from enriching uranium to serve the purpose of bomb making?

No one.

In my opinion, we should be sharing our advanced nuclear technology with nations ready for it. Iran is certainly ready, so we should open the opportunity for nuclear engineers to go there and train them on what they need to know (for money, of course, I'm not advocating free exchanging of ideas here, just free for the engineers to get paid to do it).

To me, that's way better because then we don't have to worry about a country making a novice mistake resulting in a meltdown, and our (western nations in general) newer technologies result in far less waste products in the power production process, resulting in low amounts to no weapons grade plutonium. These great technologies of the west, and we regulate them so that they can't spread to other nations. It's silly, and only promotes more hostility and doesn't prevent any amount of nuclear ambitions.