Father of son who died in Iraq beaten by pro-war hate mongers "Gathering of Eagles"

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by Roonie

Robbery is the crime of seizing property through violence or intimidation. More precisely, at common law, robbery was defined as taking the property of another, with the intent to permanently deprive the person of that property, by means of force or fear. It should be noted, in common with most legal terms, the precise definition of robbery varies between jurisdictions. Robbery is also when there is forced intimidation placed upon the victim/victims.

I would call what he did was self defense.

This is not a robbery, at all. Your definition of robbery clearly shows it was not a robbery. Robbery is classified as a violent crime. You might be thinking of theft. But, a senior citizen taking a picture off a memorial is not a robbery. Arredondo chasing him down and attacking him from behind, however, is aggravated assault and battery. His biting people trying to get him off a senior citizen is also aggravated assault and battery.

Also taking the picture off the memorial isn't really a theft that's winnable in court. If it were, the police would have charged Peterson. Instead, they were looking to charge Arredondo.

[Roonie]

Originally Posted by JaJae

This is not a robbery, at all. Your definition of robbery clearly shows it was not a robbery. Robbery is classified as a violent crime. You might be thinking of theft. But, a senior citizen taking a picture off a memorial is not a robbery. Arredondo chasing him down and attacking him from behind, however, is aggravated assault and battery. His biting people trying to get him off a senior citizen is also aggravated assault and battery.

I beg to differ.

Robbery is the crime of seizing property through violence or intimidation.

The guy was intimidating him through yelling at him prior to him robbing him of his property.

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by Roonie

I beg to differ.

Robbery is the crime of seizing property through violence or intimidation.

The guy was intimidating him through yelling at him prior to him robbing him of his property.

I understand you have a wikipedia definition that isn't fully complete. But trust me, this isn't robbery.

[Roonie]

I would say it falls under strong arm robbery.

Thats how I would proceed with the case if tried.

[Publius]

Originally Posted by Roonie

I would say it falls under strong arm robbery.

Thats how I would proceed with the case if tried.

and you'd be wrong. Simply picking up an item is not robbery. Theft at worst, and even that you'd be hard-pressed to prove.

[Roonie]

I am just saying given a large group of hostile people shouting at you hatefully and constantly can make someone very fearful. Then that same group steals one of your possessions. Then there was violence involved. I know it might be a stretch but I bet you could make the case with a good attorney. Strong arm robbery and self defense.

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by Roonie

I am just saying given a large group of hostile people shouting at you hatefully and constantly can make someone very fearful. Then that same group steals one of your possessions. I know it might be a stretch but I bet you could make the case with a good attorney.

It wasn't a group of large hostile people. It was one person who took the picture with absolutely zero threat of violence. In fact, Arredondo didn't even know the picture was taken until someone told him about it. He then charged 20-30 feet and viciously attacked an old man with arthritis. And when people were trying to get him off he attacked them to the point of drawing blood as well.

And yes, perhaps they were taunting and shouting things. But what in the world do you think Arredondo and the anti-war protesters were doing? When they weren't calling the police pigs and chanting "oink oink oink" when another one of their brethren was being arrested they were taunting as well.

I believe Washington police put the event at 5-6,000 people. National Review claims nearly 200 arrests. That means nearly 3.5% of the protesters got themselves arrested. None of which were Eagles. In fact, I don't think any Eagle has ever been arrested at a protest. They know the media is just waiting to come down on them. This story is all over the blogosphere now. Perhaps the reason we're not hearing anything about it in the real media is because reporters actually called DC police to get the report and found out this was a non-story. So instead the lies and misconceptions will spread throughout the blogosphere on such ridiculous sites such as afterdowningstreet.com

[6SpeedTA95]

And now the complete story is emerging. The eagles didn't really do anything wrong here, in fact they're taking it easy on the guy.

These gentlemen deserve an apology from all the left wing bomb throwers trying to make them look bad before the entire story was out. Now it'll be interesting to see what else comes of this the next few days. Anymore to this story I wonder?

[6SpeedTA95]

Originally Posted by JaJae

It wasn't a group of large hostile people. It was one person who took the picture with absolutely zero threat of violence. In fact, Arredondo didn't even know the picture was taken until someone told him about it. He then charged 20-30 feet and viciously attacked an old man with arthritis. And when people were trying to get him off he attacked them to the point of drawing blood as well.

And yes, perhaps they were taunting and shouting things. But what in the world do you think Arredondo and the anti-war protesters were doing? When they weren't calling the police pigs and chanting "oink oink oink" when another one of their brethren was being arrested they were taunting as well.

I believe Washington police put the event at 5-6,000 people. National Review claims nearly 200 arrests. That means nearly 3.5% of the protesters got themselves arrested. None of which were Eagles. In fact, I don't think any Eagle has ever been arrested at a protest. They know the media is just waiting to come down on them. This story is all over the blogosphere now. Perhaps the reason we're not hearing anything about it in the real media is because reporters actually called DC police to get the report and found out this was a non-story. So instead the lies and misconceptions will spread throughout the blogosphere on such ridiculous sites such as afterdowningstreet.com

I thoguht it was pretty wierd, the small amount of real media attention this was getting and after viewing the guys history and the history of the eagles I thoughts omething might be up.

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95

And now the complete story is emerging. The eagles didn't really do anything wrong here, in fact they're taking it easy on the guy.

These gentlemen deserve an apology from all the left wing bomb throwers trying to make them look bad before the entire story was out. Now it'll be interesting to see what else comes of this the next few days. Anymore to this story I wonder?

Peterson took the photo about 25 feet away from where he tackled Peterson. Odds are the people who were near Peterson at that point (who never ripped up the photo) never even saw what happened. They just saw a man attacking an old man. When they tried to break it up, they were bit and assaulted as well. Hence the reason the man was so angry in the picture. It appears Carlos is a violently unstable man. Who would have guessed that?

[6SpeedTA95]

Originally Posted by JaJae

Peterson took the photo about 25 feet away from where he tackled Peterson. Odds are the people who were near Peterson at that point (who never ripped up the photo) never even saw what happened. They just saw a man attacking an old man. When they tried to break it up, they were bit and assaulted as well. Hence the reason the man was so angry in the picture. It appears Carlos is a violently unstable man. Who would have guessed that?

I thought burning government vehicles was normal?

[7960]

Originally Posted by Roonie

I would call what he did was self defense.

1. he wasn't "robbed"

2. he didn't know the picture was missing until someone else told him

3. he wasn't acting in self defense seeing as the other guy was DOZENS OF FEET AWAY and WALKING AWAY from him.


So unless you're ok with shooting people in the back, the father was in the wrong.

[6SpeedTA95]

Originally Posted by 7960

1. he wasn't "robbed"

2. he didn't know the picture was missing until someone else told him

3. he wasn't acting in self defense seeing as the other guy was DOZENS OF FEET AWAY and WALKING AWAY from him.


So unless you're ok with shooting people in the back, the father was in the wrong.

The other important aspect of this, the guy wasn't physically abused nor did any vandalism of his property take place. He just flipped out or so it appears at this point.

[motivez]

Hm, so lets see here

1) Hate-monger thinks this guy doesn't have a right to carry a picture of his son around during the protest and steals it off the coffin, admits as much in his statement, yet characterizes it as "liberating the picture".. I wonder if this guy has a history of "liberating" other people's property from their possession?
2) Father runs after the guy and tackles him to get it back (something IMO that is reasonable considering the circumstances), while guy attempts to paint it as an 'unprovoked attack'
3) Father is then assaulted by 5 or 6 hate mongers, kicked in the head and beaten, and while in the process of being assaulted, bites someone in self defense

I'm completely shocked that the conservative folks are defending these guys and taking their pathetic story at face value despite the evidence and eyewitnesses. No, really.

[motivez]

Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95

I thought burning government vehicles was normal?

Please describe your emotional state in the aftermath of your sons death in Iraq

Oh, wait.

[Scrum]

Originally Posted by motivez

Hm, so lets see here

1) Hate-monger thinks this guy doesn't have a right to carry a picture of his son around during the protest and steals it off the coffin, admits as much in his statement, yet characterizes it as "liberating the picture".. I wonder if this guy has a history of "liberating" other people's property from their possession?
2) Father runs after the guy and tackles him to get it back (something IMO that is reasonable considering the circumstances), while guy attempts to paint it as an 'unprovoked attack'
3) Father is then assaulted by 5 or 6 hate mongers, and while in the process of being assaulted, bites someone in self defense

I'm completely shocked that the conservative folks are defending these guys and taking their pathetic story at face value despite the evidence and eyewitnesses. No, really.

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by motivez

Hm, so lets see here

1) Hate-monger thinks this guy doesn't have a right to carry a picture of his son around during the protest and steals it off the coffin, admits as much in his statement, yet characterizes it as "liberating the picture"

Hate-monger?

2) Father runs after the guy and tackles him to get it back (something IMO that is reasonable considering the circumstances), while guy attempts to paint it as an 'unprovoked attack'

He provoked someone to attack him? He instigated the event, sure. But provoked someone to attack him? No.

3) Father is then assaulted by 5 or 6 hate mongers, and while in the process of being assaulted, bites someone in self defense

He wasn't assaulted? It appears he did the assaulting. Hate mongers?

I'm completely shocked that the conservative folks are defending these guys and taking their pathetic story at face value despite the evidence and eyewitnesses. No, really.

Their pathetic story? As in the one that seems to illustrate exactly what the pictures show? Two guys bloodied up after being attacked by a man.

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by motivez

Please describe your emotional state in the aftermath of your sons death in Iraq

Oh, wait.

My emotional state would not include torching government property and carry around caskets to rallies. In fact, since he's probably the only person in the country to ever do such a thing that I'm aware of I think it's fair to say he's gone a bit overboard.