CDC failed to find worst A&M lab problems | Dallas Morning News | News for Dallas, Texas | Latest News For three years, inspectors from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention found warning signs in Texas A&M University's biodefense program everything from unauthorized lab workers with access ...
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| CDC fails at Texas A&M -- more Federal Government failure CDC failed to find worst A&M lab problems | Dallas Morning News | News for Dallas, Texas | Latest News For three years, inspectors from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention found warning signs in Texas A&M University's biodefense program everything from unauthorized lab workers with access to dangerous agents to problems with how pathogens were stored.Note that is took a private organization investigating this before the CDC bothered to do anything about it. The CDC knew about numerous violations in the access to and handling of infectious disease spores and other biological agents, yet they didn't do ANYTHING about it. They didn't even bother to fine the A&M lab. It both angers and scares me that these labs receive millions of tax dollars to do this research on dangerous biological agent, yet don't seem to be held to any standard of conduct and safety. Standards are in place, but if they aren't met nothing happens unless a private citizen or group raises a big enough stink to garner media attention. Score one for private watchdog organizations, in my opinion the only group of people that REALLY try to protect us from poor conduct by these potentially epidemic-spreading labs; obviously the CDC doesn't feel it necessary to do so.
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| It's not JUST a failure of government. IT was a failure of the private industry to properly police itself as well. The fact that these things even happen is an arguement for MORE government regulation. | ||||
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| Originally Posted by WickedLou9 Actually no.
Texas A&M is a state owned school, doing research for the government using government funds, under regulations created by a government entity. Nowhere within the circle of screw-ups is private industry even involved. It took a private organization outside of this government circle to bring to light these failings, both in adherence to and enforcement of regulations. | ||||
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| Originally Posted by Publius There are plenty of private organizations who have failed to police themselves just the same. This is not something that is peculiar to the government.
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| Originally Posted by Publius And your point? There are TONS of examples of private organizations messing up big time and the government stepping in, this could very well happen in the free market. All you've proven in this thread is that government messed something up, great, I think we all know government is incompetent, that does not mean we need a thinly veiled libertarian agenda to answer it.
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| Originally Posted by WickedLou9 I'd appreciate if you provide examples of private organizations that deal with infectious disease not adhering to regulatory guidelines, being found out, and not only not receiving a fine but further not being punished in any way until after the fact when another organization brings it to light for the general public.
It isn't the fact that the guidelines weren't being followed that bothers me most, though that disturbs me greatly. It's the fact that it appears the CDC had no intention of punishing A&M or even investigating the NUMEROUS issues more deeply until after a private watchdog group brought the issue to light. Mistakes are made, poor/dangerous business practices happen. But find me one private company that hasn't been fined or otherwise punished for it after the fact when a government regulatory agency found out. Why was A&M being treated differently? Why did it take a private organization shining light on this to break up the government-owned-and-operated circle jerk? | ||||
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| Originally Posted by David Octavius My issue isn't that they "messed up" ... My issue is that the CDC apparently had no intention of doing anything about it to this other government-funded organization until after a private watchdog brought it out very publicly.
If the CDC had found these sorts of violations in a private company that company would've been crucified. But with A&M it was just kind of brushed under the rug, "oh no big deal, they'll get it fixed eventually." No fines, no punishments of any kind. | ||||
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| Originally Posted by Publius The auto industry had been guilty of that sort of thing for years before consumer advocates like Ralph Nader did something to bring attention to it.
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| And your proof that the government knowingly allowed it to happen with no punishments until after Nader pointed it out? | ||||
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| Originally Posted by Publius I doubt that would be true. Companies that do work for the defense industry get a pass. You think Lockheed Martin hasn't messed up once or twice and gotten away with it? Hey they are building military technology, punishing them means that they won't be able to produce weaponry for us.
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| Originally Posted by Publius
This is public knowledge. Do I also need to provide you proof that the world is round?Unsafe at Any Speed - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia You have not heard of this? | ||||
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| Originally Posted by WickedLou9 That delves into a whole different can of worms related to the military-industrial complex, but at the same time more proves my point. Organizations, be they public OR private, that work directly for or with the government get a hell of a lot more leeway to fuck up than other private organizations. How is that sort of preferential treatment an acceptable usage of government power?
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| Originally Posted by Publius You don't know that to be true, you have to know the many instances in general when private companies have done some bad shit and they get away with it - the government either turns the other way or give them a slap on the wrist.
Private companies get no sympathy, they are just as bad as government and worse so in many respects | ||||
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| Originally Posted by WickedLou9 Where does it say that the government saw this happening and just gave the auto industry a wink and said, "it's okay, we'll let you break the rules" ? Resisting the implementation of new rules and regulations is NOT the same thing as disregarding existent rules and regulations.
On a tangent unrelated to this thread, the entire thesis of Nader's advocacy on that subject has been called into question in years since, considering that vehicular deaths didn't decrease at any greater clip afterwards than they already were before that publication. | ||||
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| Originally Posted by David Octavius I'm not asking for "sympathy" to private companies, I'm asking for equal treatment under the law for private companies that don't use Federal funds and private companies or public organizations that do.
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| Originally Posted by Publius The government turned a blind eye because the auto industry is big business and provides a ton of tax revenue. They have lobbiests with alot of clout in washington. Don't tell me for a second that the government didn't give them a pass. That's just naieve, either that or you are simply taking the position because it's convenient to your arguement.
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