Lieberman to consider Iraq pullout plan :bowrofl:

motivez · 08-26-2006, 01:00 AM

NEW HAVEN, Conn. - Sen.

Joe Lieberman, the three-term Democrat whose independent campaign for re-election is being seen as a referendum on the
Iraq war, said Friday he would consider taking a look at a fellow lawmaker's proposal for a timeline for troop withdrawals.

The proposal was floated by Republican Rep. Chris Shays, another Connecticut politician facing a tough re-election battle with an anti-war candidate. Shays has long been a supporter of the war and previously opposed withdrawal timetables.

"It seems to me that Chris is saying, maybe we ought to set some goals for when we want to get out, and I'd like to see what he has in mind before I comment on it," Lieberman said while campaigning in New Haven.

"As I've said to you over and over again, the sooner we get out of Iraq, the better it's going to be for the Iraqis and us, but if we leave too soon for reasons of American politics, it's going to be disaster for the Iraqis and for us," he said.

Shays proposed a timeline Thursday on a telephone conference call from London with reporters following his 14th visit to Iraq since the U.S.-led invasion in 2003.

"We should be able to tell the American people what kind of timeline we can have to begin to draw down our troops," he said. "It may be a timeline the American people don't want to hear. It may not be something that brings them out quickly."

Lieberman, the Democratic nominee for vice president in 2000, lost in this month's Democratic primary to millionaire businessman Ned Lamont. He had campaigned against Lieberman's support of the war and called the senator too close to Republicans and
President Bush.

A centrist who is popular with Connecticut's Republican and unaffiliated voters, Lieberman has filed petitions to run for re-election as an independent.

Lamont's campaign chairman, George Jepsen, suggested Lieberman might turn against Shays for supporting a timeline for troop withdrawal.

"If he decides that Chris Shays is wrong ... we'll see what kind of rhetoric he uses and if he lumps him in with Ned," Jepsen said.

Shays is under fire for his support of the Iraq war in his race against Democratic challenger Diane Farrell. Shays narrowly held off Farrell's challenge in the 2004 election.

"I don't think Chris needed to go to Iraq 14 times to know it's a mess," she said. "To have a timeline, there needs to be an exit plan. There's no exit strategy."

Holy fuck

This should CEMENT the idea that he's only concerned with what's going to help him politically. All of a sudden he's not categorically repeating Bush's talking points about how bad a timetable would be..

By the way, is it not interesting that Republicans are starting to hop on board the Democratic train as far as getting the fuck out of Iraq once we have a plan to do so?

Scrum · 08-26-2006, 01:24 AM

Originally Posted by motivez

Holy fuck

This should CEMENT the idea that he's only concerned with what's going to help him politically. All of a sudden he's not categorically repeating Bush's talking points about how bad a timetable would be..

By the way, is it not interesting that Republicans are starting to hop on board the Democratic train as far as getting the fuck out of Iraq once we have a plan to do so?

But it's ok for Republicans to talk about withdrawls, since they would never do it for political reasons.

Thorgrim · 08-26-2006, 01:26 AM

Originally Posted by Stylerod

That democrats threw him out of office because of one point. he was pro war.

Originally Posted by JaJae

Because there's only two options right now. Lieberman gets voted in or "cut and run" Lament

Some people owe us an apology

thomez · 08-26-2006, 11:12 AM

if he could talk any more dry my living room would turn into the 2nd Sahara

SoFlaJDM · 08-26-2006, 11:15 AM

flip flopper!!!!

ballz2wallz · 08-26-2006, 11:44 AM

lieberman is a democrat!!!

motivez · 08-26-2006, 01:13 PM

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

lieberman is a democrat!!!

Not really. He just did a 180 on this issue though because it's hurting him in the polls.

Scrum · 08-27-2006, 01:01 AM

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

lieberman is a democrat!!!

Really? I could have sworn he's running as an independant now.

ballz2wallz · 08-27-2006, 01:43 PM

Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent

Really? I could have sworn he's running as an independant now.

his views on the issues don't change just cause of a party change

motivez · 08-27-2006, 01:45 PM

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

his views on the issues don't change just cause of a party change

Which is exactly why he's still a conservative masquerading as a progressive in a very blue state

Though, not so much anymore. Who can even tell where he really stands with all of his confusing stances trying to court both the GOP and progressives too stupid to see how much of a lie the shit he says is?

ballz2wallz · 08-27-2006, 01:48 PM

Originally Posted by motivez

Which is exactly why he's still a conservative masquerading as a progressive in a very blue state

Though, not so much anymore. Who can even tell where he really stands with all of his confusing stances trying to court both the GOP and progressives too stupid to see how much of a lie the shit he says is?

Thorgrim · 08-27-2006, 01:53 PM

I'd like to hear ballz tell us all what he admires so much about Lieberman...his conservati...no he's a liberal (according to him)...his refusal to flip flop on iraq...no he's flip flopping...his refusal to change his views on other issues...no he changes his views as is politically convenient...

So please, tell us of the greatness that is Lieberman

motivez · 08-27-2006, 01:55 PM

Should be pretty obvious.

He's hurting the Democrats right now by repeating GOP rhetoric, so he makes a convienent person to latch upon that they can use for their own political gain, brand the Democrats as this, or that, etc..

ballz2wallz · 08-27-2006, 01:56 PM

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

So please, tell us of the greatness that is Lieberman

i don't think anything's great about him...except that he's pissing off the democratic party so much

ballz2wallz · 08-27-2006, 01:56 PM

Originally Posted by motivez

Should be pretty obvious.

He's hurting the Democrats right now by repeating GOP rhetoric, so he makes a convienent person to latch upon that they can use for their own political gain, brand the Democrats as this, or that, etc..

and it shows the faults of the party

Thorgrim · 08-27-2006, 01:59 PM

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

i don't think anything's great about him...except that he's pissing off the democratic party so much

exactly, which is why discussing anything about Lieberman with you is a waste of time

You are just trying to piss off anti-Lieberman Dems (which doesn't work by the way, because everytime we re-check Lieberman we find a new flaw in his character which makes us even more happy that he lost the primary)

/thread

thomez · 08-27-2006, 01:59 PM

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

and it shows the faults of the party

shows how left the party is now when someone as liberal as he is on 95% of issues isn't liberal enough

Thorgrim · 08-27-2006, 02:07 PM

Originally Posted by thomez

shows how left the party is now when someone as liberal as he is on 95% of issues isn't liberal enough

It's not about liberal or conservative, its about being a good Democrat, Nader is more liberal than Lamont, he'd never get elected as a democrat

You don't help the GOP take down your own party, he's done that time after time again

JaJae · 08-27-2006, 02:10 PM

Originally Posted by thomez

shows how left the party is now when someone as liberal as he is on 95% of issues isn't liberal enough

That's what I don't get. The man is liberal. Just because he isn't afraid to agree with the conservatives or criticize his own party doesn't make him conservative. If you look at where he stands on the vast majority of issues, he's a clear liberal. If you just looked at his voting record you'd say "liberal democrat". It's just the fact that he's willing to speak out against Democrats that he's getting the current treatment.

Personally, I like Lieberman. Always have. I agree with him politically on many issues and I think he's a strong politician who has gotten a lot done for our country. He's the kind of guy who makes it "ok" to cross party lines. He sets a precident and I think he's worth keeping.

I don't support Lieberman because he pisses off the Dems, although I commend Ballz for admitting it.. most of the people attacking him wouldn't be able to admit it if the situation were reversed.

In short, Lieberman is a liberal. Trying to paint him conservative to me is a sign of weakness on your argument. People are trying to find EVERYTHING they can to shit on Lieberman right now, including trying to say he's conservative, which is just absurd. He may side with the GOP on some issues, but really no more than any other Democrat. Clinton is far more conservative than Lieberman and the party through him out for president. This is a man they put up as their VP not long ago. Now that we've gone into Iraq and he's shown support for the military force (which he always has, including Clinton) and he's shown support for some conservative economic ideas (which he always has), he's being booted from the party for now toeing their rhetoric.

If only everyone could be as honest as Ballz on this issue. The majority of Dems don't like him solely because he pisses off the Dems. And the majority of conservatives like him because he's closer to their idealogy than Lamont, and he pisses off the Democrats.