Pelosi is PISSED!

Ardentfrost · 09-27-2007, 12:07 PM

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Some parts of this had me crackin' up. Wolf says "are you saying you can't do anything about Iraq?" and she goes "how could you have gotten that from what I've said? What I'm saying, for those who are listening, is

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In the last 30 seconds she says Impeachment is off the table too. wtf is up with that? WHY is it off the table?

Anyhow, I don't see any reason to wonder why people are not happy with Congress. They might be blaming the Senate and the president, but the fact remains that they have made no headway in ways they promised during election time last year.

I don't know what this will end up meaning for election time next year... it could give Republicans a chance, or it could give them less of a chance. I guess it depends on how the population interprets the attempts of democrats in the house.

To me, though, she just seems like she's whining.

JaJae · 09-27-2007, 12:17 PM

She is whining. She went on Wolf's show probably expecting to be told how smart and wonderful she is and instead she's being met with the frustration many liberals are having regarding the lack of performance they feel they're getting out of the Democrats. Since Kerry was running and then through the 06 elections these media pundits were promising America that if the Democrats took the White House or the House and Senate they would be determined to do something about Iraq. And the reality is they aren't doing a whole lot.

Not as in insult or anything, but Wolf's arguments seem timely in the face of the "Osama" video. A couple weeks for the video to cool down and then for the first time ever he hit the Speaker of the House with essentially the same arguments. Of which she really had trouble making a convincing argument that the Democrats are doing all they can. The reality is they can only do so much or their Blue Dogs might not vote in their favor thus really hurting the image of the Democratic party. They have to be fearful of that. They witnessed it when they first took control of the House and they had to run around bribing all those politicians to save face. The act of bribing the votes with pork was less embarrassing than having them all vote against their bill to try to end Iraq.

JaJae · 09-27-2007, 01:00 PM

To clarify some of my previous statements. If the Democrats wanted to show America they're serious about ending the war in Iraq they would do more than just talk. They would have at least one major bill presented each month. They haven't done that. The reality is they could have done a lot of what Blitzer was saying, but and Nancy was trying to skate around the issue as to why they aren't, but the real reason is they won't have enough votes. And they don't want to be embarrassed by that because the party leadership is making claims and promises the party can't keep. The Blue Dog Democrats won't go along with it and it would be very embarrassing to the party to hold a vote and have America see that happen. The Democrats can't seem divided on Iraq. The Democrats as a whole want us out of Iraq, but the individual politicians are only willing to go so far to see that happen. The Democratic leadership and media is by far to the left of the mainstream Democrat.

The Democrats promised America that if they got some control they would do everything in their power to end the war. And now their blue dogs are tying their own hands which makes it seem like they aren't doing anything because they're lazy. But in reality they're aren't doing more because their own party won't let them because they aren't that far left. Even the more moderate approaches to bring troops home have failed.

It's also interesting the way Pelosi is talking about the Republicans and how she prevents herself from using the word obstructionism. The media and Democrats don't want to use the same terminology the Republicans used against the Democrats because they defended those tactics for years.

Roonie · 09-27-2007, 02:09 PM

They haven't done shit. It pisses me off to no end. Its all words on both sides and no action. Pelosi sums it by saying this, " blah blah blah bla blah". or something to that effect as she lost me early on. Words and no actions.

AVengeance · 09-27-2007, 02:13 PM

"I'd be the last person to give you a civics lesson on what that means. But what that means, is..."

Pelosi is worthless, as are the rest of the Dems. They'd be shoving legislation down Bush's throat if they had the balls to do it, BUT THEY DON'T. They're just as in it for the power and money as any "neo-con" the godless sodomites whine about.

The only solution is to upset the whole balance of power, and elect people that aren't part of the status quo. AND STOP VOTING FOR LAWYERS. Good God, I wouldn't trust a lawyer with a lollypop for five minutes, I sure as hell don't trust one with my rights and soveriegnty.

Ardentfrost · 09-27-2007, 02:43 PM

Originally Posted by AVengeance

"I'd be the last person to give you a civics lesson on what that means. But what that means, is..."

lol, yeah, that one had me laughin' too.

Rouger2 · 09-27-2007, 03:05 PM

Both parties when you come down to it are controlled by the military industrial complex. They talk about working for the people but in the end they bow to the mindless big money boys and I think it is causing the real back bone of this country the working man to lose hope and our morale, and that is what will destroy this country slowly but surely.

RMNIXON · 09-27-2007, 07:13 PM

She got mad for the same reason Michael Moore went off on CNN. They really think these people should be backing them up no matter what and when they don't it is worse than Fox News!

I give credit to Wolf and CNN for not being a softy when they have her on.

garbagemanlb · 09-27-2007, 11:16 PM

Originally Posted by RMNIXON

She got mad for the same reason Michael Moore went off on CNN. They really think these people should be backing them up no matter what and when they don't it is worse than Fox News!

I give credit to Wolf and CNN for not being a softy when they have her on.

Wait, where is this liberal media I hear screamed about all the time?!?

JaJae · 09-27-2007, 11:32 PM

Originally Posted by garbagemanlb

Wait, where is this liberal media I hear screamed about all the time?!?

Did you watch the interview? They're upset Pelosi hasn't been liberal enough for them!

And regardless, a few minutes is not conclusive of an overall leaning.

Ardentfrost · 09-27-2007, 11:41 PM

Originally Posted by JaJae

Did you watch the interview? They're upset Pelosi hasn't been liberal enough for them!

And regardless, a few minutes is not conclusive of an overall leaning.

That's not true, the ONLY things they talked about was the war and impeachment. These are issues on both sides of the aisle, not just liberals.

JaJae · 09-27-2007, 11:42 PM

Originally Posted by Ardentfrost

That's not true, the ONLY things they talked about was the war and impeachment. These are issues on both sides of the aisle, not just liberals.

They asked why she's not doing more to end the war and asked if she had plans to impeach George Bush... They didn't ask why she was doing too much, etc.

Ardentfrost · 09-27-2007, 11:45 PM

Originally Posted by JaJae

They asked why she's not doing more to end the war and asked if she had plans to impeach George Bush... They didn't ask why she was doing too much, etc.

How is that a liberal thing though? They asked about two SPECIFIC things that are not liberal specifically. Had they said "why don't we have universal health care?!!?" then I'd agree with you, but that's not the case.

abregar · 09-28-2007, 12:40 AM

Originally Posted by Ardentfrost

How is that a liberal thing though? They asked about two SPECIFIC things that are not liberal specifically. Had they said "why don't we have universal health care?!!?" then I'd agree with you, but that's not the case.

The Democrats seem to have made the war a central part of their philosophy. She specifically claims that the Republicans are against ending the war. I believe that makes it a liberal thing since a majority of anti-war politicians are on the left.

Ardentfrost · 09-28-2007, 08:04 AM

Originally Posted by abregar

The Democrats seem to have made the war a central part of their philosophy. She specifically claims that the Republicans are against ending the war. I believe that makes it a liberal thing since a majority of anti-war politicians are on the left.

Doing *something* with the war is a greater American thing. It's left, it's right, it's center. There is nothing partisan about ending the war.

Scrum · 09-28-2007, 10:21 AM

Originally Posted by abregar

The Democrats seem to have made the war a central part of their philosophy.

Watch a Republican debate and see how much time they spend on issues that aren't the war.

DosEquis · 09-28-2007, 10:33 AM

Originally Posted by Scrum

Watch a Republican debate and see how much time they spend on issues that aren't the war.

abregar · 09-28-2007, 12:43 PM

Originally Posted by Scrum

Watch a Republican debate and see how much time they spend on issues that aren't the war.

The Democrats have made ending the war a central part of their philosophy regardless of outcome. You need to read the context of a post not just a sentence or two. The liberals want to end the war NOW. They don't seem to care what retreat from Iraq might cost our country in the long run as long as they get the political points for ending the war.

Ardentfrost · 09-28-2007, 01:30 PM

Originally Posted by abregar

The Democrats have made ending the war a central part of their philosophy regardless of outcome. You need to read the context of a post not just a sentence or two. The liberals want to end the war NOW. They don't seem to care what retreat from Iraq might cost our country in the long run as long as they get the political points for ending the war.

Ron Paul is a republican who wants to end the war NOW. He's not the only republican either. Most republicans are offering various ways of dealing with the war, including a reduction of troops, more training for Iraq police forces, etc... Most, if not all of them have given SOME solution that allows us to get out of Iraq sooner rather than later; they have offered solutions in which our progress would supposedly be measured, troops withdrawn, etc...

The war is OBVIOUSLY the hottest topic on the docket, and it's all about giving the people what they want: some indication that not only can we end the inordinate spending on a war in the middle east, but that we're protected from further attacks.

Universal Healthcare is partisan... the left wants it, the right doesn't. The war is bipartisan: everyone wants to offer a solution as to the best way to finish it.

RMNIXON · 09-28-2007, 05:20 PM

Originally Posted by garbagemanlb

Wait, where is this liberal media I hear screamed about all the time?!?

Perhaps my honest opinion about what I observed in this interview has you confused? I have no problem with honest debate on the left. But when ideology becomes a Rah Rah Football Cheerleading exercise by clueless idiots with no real principles I want nothing to do with that debate. Can't deal with that? Not my problem......................