Soldiers killing unarmed Iraqis... come on in War sympathizers! - Page 2

avsp · 10-01-2007, 10:49 AM

Originally Posted by abregar

If the Sergeant is found guilty of this crime, he does not desrve to breath the same air that we do. Unfortunately we get these sick SOB's from time to time. Don't know what we can do to prevent it.

Perhaps, if true, it should be recognised that this kind of behaviour is what the battlefield can do to a man?

Originally Posted by RMNIXON

Especially when the insurgents are so careful to bring justice when one of their own kills innocent Iraqi civilians.

Oh wait, that would be their primary targets!

Whats the point of this?
To the extent that its true we arent aware of it?
To provide 'balance' in case mediamatters studies LL?
To act as deflectionist 'flak' in this instance?

abregar · 10-01-2007, 11:28 AM

I don't believe that the battlefield did this to him. I tihnk he was already a sick, sadistic SOB before he got there. I would love to believe that it wasn't a consequence of his upbringing, however I highly doubt that is the case.

David Octavius · 10-01-2007, 01:50 PM

I think everyone agrees that the VAST majority of our troops are good, patriotic, brave people, but the few that are not is hurting us in our primary objective of stabilizing Iraq.

You think this bit of news is big with the far left wingers? Imagine how it is in the ME and Iraq! Not even talking about the regular propaganda news they get, this is headline news and will be long after we forget about it.

This stuff prevents us from winning "hearts and minds" and if we can't do that, and we are looked at as the enemy no matter how many of our brave soldiers die, then what is the point of being there?

Ardentfrost · 10-01-2007, 01:53 PM

Originally Posted by David Octavius

I think everyone agrees that the VAST majority of our troops are good, patriotic, brave people, but the few that are not is hurting us in our primary objective of stabilizing Iraq.

You think this bit of news is big with the far left wingers? Imagine how it is in the ME and Iraq! Not even talking about the regular propaganda news they get, this is headline news and will be long after we forget about it.

This stuff prevents us from winning "hearts and minds" and if we can't do that, and we are looked at as the enemy no matter how many of our brave soldiers die, then what is the point of being there?

the whole "win their hearts and minds" thing was bullshit when it was first uttered by the administration. If our goal is to remain there until they like us, then we have a LONG wait ahead of us.

Thankfully, new administration means new goals, and new goals will hopefully mean a speedy withdrawl.

RMNIXON · 10-01-2007, 02:53 PM

Fighting in Iraq kills 60 militants

October 1, 2007
BY STEVEN R. HURST
ASSOCIATED PRESS

BAGHDAD, Iraq -- U.S. and Iraqi forces killed more than 60 militants in intense fighting over the weekend, with most of the casualties believed to have been Al Qaeda fighters, officials said Sunday.

The U.S. Embassy, meanwhile, joined a broad swath of Iraqi politicians -- both Shi'ite and Sunni -- in criticizing a nonbinding U.S. Senate resolution seen as splitting the country along sectarian and ethnic lines.

U.S. aircraft killed more than 20 Al Qaeda in Iraq fighters who opened fire on a U.S. air patrol northwest of Baghdad, the U.S. command said.

In a separate operation, U.S. forces killed two insurgents and detained 21 others during weekend operations.

The Senate resolution, adopted last week, proposed reshaping Iraq according to three sectarian or ethnic territories.

It calls for a limited central government with the bulk of power going to the country's Shi'ite, Sunni or Kurdish regions, envisioning a power-sharing agreement similar to the one that ended the 1990s war in Bosnia.
Sen. Joe Biden, a Democratic presidential candidate from Delaware, was a prime sponsor.

"Our goal in Iraq remains the same: a united, democratic, federal Iraq that can govern, defend and sustain itself," the unsigned statement from the U.S. Embassy on Sunday said.

The statement came just hours after representatives of Iraq's major political parties denounced the Senate proposal.

The U.S. military also announced the death of a U.S. soldier killed Saturday in a roadside bombing and gunfire attack in eastern Baghdad.

Fighting in Iraq kills 60 militants

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We can talk about these killings and political solutions than seem to be a selling point to the wrong group of people. Those that would be forced to live by them appear to have strong objections......

RMNIXON · 10-01-2007, 02:57 PM

Originally Posted by avsp

Whats the point of this?
To the extent that its true we arent aware of it?
To provide 'balance' in case mediamatters studies LL?
To act as deflectionist 'flak' in this instance?

I am not deflecting anything. I gave my opinion about the horrible reality of this story in the very next post if you bothered to read it?

Joe_Cool · 10-01-2007, 09:12 PM

Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95

That Sergeant should be locked up if proven guilty. That is just sick

edit: and I too feel bad for the soldier who was ordered to shoot

There is, of course, a duty not to obey an order you know is unlawful. I don't feel all THAT bad for him. "We were just following orders" as an excuse went out with Nuremberg, didn't it?

And if the story happened as described, I'm sure those who are guilty will be punished accordingly.

six6ftr · 10-02-2007, 10:24 AM

Originally Posted by Joe_Cool

There is, of course, a duty not to obey an order you know is unlawful. I don't feel all THAT bad for him. "We were just following orders" as an excuse went out with Nuremberg, didn't it?

And if the story happened as described, I'm sure those who are guilty will be punished accordingly.

Yes, he had a duty not to obey that order and will be charged with Conduct unbecoming of a US Service Member along with murder under the UCMJ.

That excuse went out the window a long time ago.

RMNIXON · 10-02-2007, 07:36 PM

Originally Posted by six6ftr

Yes, he had a duty not to obey that order and will be charged with Conduct unbecoming of a US Service Member along with murder under the UCMJ.

That excuse went out the window a long time ago.

I agree. If you disobey such an order what could this Officer do within his own authority that would not expose an unlawful order? If this guy wanted to be a sadistic bastard make him do his own murder. He is probably so sick he gets off making others do it!

Joe_Cool · 10-02-2007, 09:13 PM

Originally Posted by RMNIXON

I agree. If you disobey such an order what could this Officer do within his own authority that would not expose an unlawful order? If this guy wanted to be a sadistic bastard make him do his own murder. He is probably so sick he gets off making others do it!

That is, assuming it happened as described in the article, of course.