Media Matters, but not Truth....

[JaJae]

Rep. Mark Udall (D-CO) will be introducing a resolution in the House of Representatives on Monday condemning Rush Limbaugh for his ‘phony soldiers' remark.

How pathetic.

[Scrum]

Originally Posted by JaJae

How pathetic.

Didn't you criticize some Democrats for not condemning the moveon.org ad?

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by Scrum

Didn't you criticize some Democrats for not condemning the moveon.org ad?

The moveon.org ad was real. We've all seen it.

This is a bold faced lie. And I thought it was a bit overboard to have it brought up. But once it was, to actually vote against it was quite the absurd vote considering you could have voted to agree with it or abstained from voting. In my opinion everyone should have voted against it or not voted. But voting in favor of the ad was just absurd.

If Rush had actually said this. And it gets brought up to a vote, people should condemn him for saying it. They should not vote in favor of calling true soldiers phony. But he was clearly referring to the people who pretend to be soldiers to the liberal media and then tell false stories for political reasons. Some, as the one in his example, have even been convicted for it.

[AVengeance]

Originally Posted by motivez

I can't believe people actually bother to listen to Limbaugh.

It sells commercials (airtime), doesn't it? The real interesting thing is how liberals somehow can't seem to pull off the same thing- entertaining talk radio.

You would think if both sides of an argument are equally valid, then both should be able to garner support of a listening audience and advertisers.

[Scrum]

Originally Posted by AVengeance

It sells commercials (airtime), doesn't it? The real interesting thing is how liberals somehow can't seem to pull off the same thing- entertaining talk radio.

You would think if both sides of an argument are equally valid, then both should be able to garner support of a listening audience and advertisers.

Ratings does not equal validity of message.

[RMNIXON]

Get this:

Democrats go after Limbaugh By Klaus Marre October 01, 2007 Democrats on Monday called on the chief executive of Clear Channel Communications to denounce remarks by radio talk show host Rush Limbaugh, whom they say made a “hateful” and “unpatriotic” attack on U.S. troops opposed to the war in Iraq.

At issue is a remark from Limbaugh that characterized such troops as “phony soldiers.” Democrats have seized on the issue, allowing them to hit back at Republicans who similarly latched onto a MoveOn.org ad that referred to Gen. David Petraeus as “General Betray Us.”


“Thousands of active troops and veterans were subjected to Mr. Limbaugh’s unpatriotic and indefensible comments on your broadcast,” Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) said in his letter to Clear Channel Chief Executive Mark Mays. “We trust you will agree that not a single one of our sons, daughters, neighbors and friends serving overseas is a ‘phony soldier.’ We call on you to publicly repudiate these comments that call into question their service and sacrifice and to ask Mr. Limbaugh to apologize for his
comments.”

On his show Monday, Limbaugh blasted Democrats for their criticism, saying it is part of a smear campaign aimed at discrediting him.

“If anybody in this country has been trying to demoralize the troops, it is you, sir, and your members of the Democrat Party,” Limbaugh said. “You have waved the white flag of defeat.”

Reid stated that he is confident that “Republicans join with us in overwhelming numbers,” arguing that “anything less would be a double standard that has no place in the United States Senate.”

The Democratic leader stated that the letter would be available all day to allow other senators to sign on.
The letter points to a December 2006 poll that shows more service members disapproved of President Bush’s handling of the war than voiced their support for it.

“From this figure alone, it is clear that Mr. Limbaugh’s insult is directed at thousands of American service members,” the letter said. In remarks on the Senate floor, Reid noted that Limbaugh’s show is broadcast on Armed Forces Radio, indicating that this makes the matter even worse.

The Democratic leader voiced his strong support for the First Amendment but said in this case Limbaugh went “way over the line.”

He blasted the popular talk show host for attacking the “courage and character of those fighting and dying for him and for all of us.”

TheHill.com - Democrats go after Limbaugh

This smear is spreading like a Moonbat virus. Has anybody even bothered to check the record or are they just now responding to the e-mails spread by nutroots over the weekend?

Does the truth even matter anymore?

I guess all the good news about Iraq this morning has them worked into an anti-Rush lather.

[RMNIXON]

Originally Posted by RMNIXON

“Thousands of active troops and veterans were subjected to Mr. Limbaugh’s unpatriotic and indefensible comments on your broadcast,” Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) said in his letter to Clear Channel Chief Executive Mark Mays. “We trust you will agree that not a single one of our sons, daughters, neighbors and friends serving overseas is a ‘phony soldier.’ We call on you to publicly repudiate these comments that call into question their service and sacrifice and to ask Mr. Limbaugh to apologize for his
comments.”

No, because Rush was not talking about any such person Reid:

"The morning update on Wednesday dealt with a soldier, a fake, phony soldier by the name of Jesse MacBeth who never served in Iraq; he was never an Army Ranger. He was drummed out of the military in 44 days. He had his day in court; he never got the Purple Heart as he claimed, and he described all these war atrocities. He became a hero to the anti-war left. They love phony soldiers, and they prop 'em up. When it is demonstrated that they have been lying about things, then they just forget about it."

[RMNIXON]

HOUSE RESOLUTION SUPPORTING LIMBAUGH
Mon Oct 01 2007 15:16:57 ET

IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES OCTOBER 1, 2007

Mr. KINGSTON submitted the following resolution

Honoring all Americans serving in the Armed Forces of the United States and commending broadcaster Rush Limbaugh for his relentless efforts to build and maintain troop morale through worldwide radio broadcasts and personal visits to conflict regions.

Whereas the need to show support for American troops serving and fighting both here and abroad during a time of global conflict has never been greater, with the need to communicate an uplifting message of encouragement to American soldiers eternally important, in addition to the morale-boosting value of personal visits to combat region by highly-regarded individuals;

Whereas every American, to include service men and women and broadcasters, is entitled to free speech and the free exchange of ideas; Whereas daily radio broadcasts reaching tens of millions of civilians and soldiers both in America and abroad by way of the Armed Forces Radio Network are conducted five days a week by Rush Hudson Limbaugh III;

Whereas Mr. Limbaugh has consistently used his broadcast time to praise American troops and support them during their ongoing efforts to secure peace in a troubled world;

Whereas Mr. Limbaugh has met with troops in Afghanistan; raised and donated millions of dollars to the Marine Corps Law Enforcement Foundation, which provides college scholarships to the children of Marines and veterans of other branches killed in action; features an “Adopt a Soldier” program which provides them with free subscription access to his online program features; and Whereas Mr. Limbaugh’s commitment to American troops serving both here and abroad remains as strong as ever: Now, therefore, be it Resolved by the House of Representatives, Section 1. The House of Representatives makes the following findings:

(1) Americans serving in the United States Armed Forces have volunteered for such service and have not been drafted for that purpose.

(2) Those who serve in the Armed Forces deserve the respect of all Americans for their willingness to undertake that service

(3) Those who serve in the Armed Forces do not relinquish their constitutional right to express their opinions regarding public policy in a manner consistent with good order and discipline.

Sec. 2. House of Representatives—

(1) recognizes the service of all members of the Armed Forces serving in good standing and with honor to defend the United States, and the personal sacrifices made by them and their families;

(2) commits to judge the merits of the opinions of members of the Armed Forces regarding the policies of the United States, including those related to military actions in Iraq, without prejudice or personal bias;

(3) commends Mr. Limbaugh’s desire to see American troops achieve a successful outcome in Iraq, Afghanistan and wherever soldiers are stationed and his tireless public support for American troops and their families through radio broadcasts, fundraising and other public support;

(4) honors all members of the Armed Forces and civilian personnel serving in harm’s way, as well as their families; and

(5) pledges to debate any supplemental funding request or any policy decisions regarding the war in Iraq with the solemn respect and the commitment to integrity that the sacrifices of these members of the Armed Forces and civilian personnel deserve.

END

[RMNIXON]

Originally Posted by Scrum

Ratings does not equal validity of message.

And your not liking the message does not make other points of view invalid.

[Scrum]

Originally Posted by RMNIXON

And your not liking the message does not make other points of view invalid.

Have I stated otherwise?

[kinggovernor]

Originally Posted by Grouch

blah blah blah, too much talking not enough smarts out of your posts here. Come one you’re smarter than this on OT.


What’s going on there now? Oh the minor chance of death during the job he swore he would do? It’s not the cake walk the first gulf war was, now man the fuck up cowboy.

He’s paid to risk his fucking life, if he doesn't like it he should have never put the uniform on. None of this people should have.

It has nothing to do with being a keyboard jockey, it has to do with not being a fucking retard and expecting your job as solider to be a fucking frat party.

X 11ty billion

90-95% of troops in Iraq don't want to be there. Do you want to go to work on Monday morning? Now think about were regularly shot at while at work. It's our job, that doesn't mean we love being in combat. If everyone loved being there then they would be turning down guys who volunteered to stay for extra deployments, but they aren't.

[Grouch]

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

X 11ty billion

90-95% of troops in Iraq don't want to be there. Do you want to go to work on Monday morning? Now think about were regularly shot at while at work. It's our job, that doesn't mean we love being in combat. If everyone loved being there then they would be turning down guys who volunteered to stay for extra deployments, but they aren't.

now we are up to 90-95% what poll did you pull that from.

No one wants to be there yet people are still siging up. good thinking there buddy.

x11tybillion

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by Grouch

now we are up to 90-95% what poll did you pull that from.

His personal experience is enough evidence for me

[motivez]

Just thought I'd share this I saw earlier

YouTube Video

[motivez]

Also, we shouldn't pretend like Rush hasn't gone after people who've actually served in the military, in Iraq or Afghanistan and tried to denigrate their service because he disagreed with their political views..

YouTube Video

Most of these conservative talking heads are chickenhawks, and Rush is certainly one of the biggest ones.

I just have to laugh at people who take him seriously

[motivez]

Also, + @ the hypocrisy of people who'll defend the condemnation of MoveOn but not this

Equally ridiculous wastes of Congress' time.

[motivez]

Lastly, after listening to the full audio, it's clear to me that Rush isn't just talking about this caller.. he's talking about something broader, which is why he uses the plural: soldiers ..

CALLER 2: No, it's not, and what's really funny is, they never talk to real soldiers. They like to pull these soldiers that come up out of the blue and talk to the media.

LIMBAUGH: The phony soldiers.

CALLER 2: The phony soldiers. If you talk to a real soldier, they are proud to serve. They want to be over in Iraq. They understand their sacrifice, and they're willing to sacrifice for their country.

LIMBAUGH: They joined to be in Iraq. They joined --

He's essentially saying yeah, liberals never talk to real soldiers, the ones who talk to the media are phony soldiers, and then agrees with the guys statements that the real soldiers are the ones who want us to be in Iraq, and so on and so forth.. so logically, the ones who are against the war and so forth can't be the real soldiers.

I don't expect the Limbaugh fan club on here to agree though

[AVengeance]

Originally Posted by Scrum

Ratings does not equal validity of message.

I agree. My point was, though, that both "sides" have a message, and an audience for that message, and that it is odd that one side cannot seem to do what the other side is so successful doing.

[Scrum]

Originally Posted by AVengeance

I agree. My point was, though, that both "sides" have a message, and an audience for that message, and that it is odd that one side cannot seem to do what the other side is so successful doing.

Liberals don't listen to the radio?

They seem to have dominated the internet and TV instead.

[Joe_Cool]

Originally Posted by Scrum

Liberals don't listen to the radio?

Explain NPR, then.

They seem to have dominated the internet and TV instead.

At least somebody admits it.