Media Matters, but not Truth....

[RMNIXON]

Limbaugh: Service members who support U.S. withdrawal are "phony soldiers"

During the September 26 broadcast of his nationally syndicated radio show, Rush Limbaugh called service members who advocate U.S. withdrawal from Iraq "phony soldiers." He made the comment while discussing with a caller a conversation he had with a previous caller, "Mike from Chicago," who said he "used to be military," and "believe[s] that we should pull out of Iraq." Limbaugh told the second caller, whom he identified as "Mike, this one from Olympia, Washington," that "[t]here's a lot" that people who favor U.S. withdrawal "don't understand" and that when asked why the United States should pull out, their only answer is, " 'Well, we just gotta bring the troops home.' ... 'Save the -- keeps the troops safe' or whatever," adding, "[i]t's not possible, intellectually, to follow these people." "Mike" from Olympia replied, "No, it's not, and what's really funny is, they never talk to real soldiers. They like to pull these soldiers that come up out of the blue and talk to the media." Limbaugh interjected, "The phony soldiers." The caller, who had earlier said, "I am a serving American military, in the Army," agreed, replying, "The phony soldiers."

http://mediamatters.org/items/200709270010?f=h_top


I want to illustrate something for you today, folks. I've done it before. I want to do it again. I call this the anatomy of a smear, and what this is is a great illustration of the liberals and the Democrat Party playbook for '08, which is underway now. The morning update on Wednesday dealt with a soldier, a fake, phony soldier by the name of Jesse MacBeth who never served in Iraq; he was never an Army Ranger. He was drummed out of the military in 44 days. He had his day in court; he never got the Purple Heart as he claimed, and he described all these war atrocities. He became a hero to the anti-war left. They love phony soldiers, and they prop 'em up. When it is demonstrated that they have been lying about things, then they just forget about it. There's no retraction; there's no apology; there's no, "Uh-oh, sorry." After doing that morning update on Wednesday, I got a phone call yesterday from somebody, we were talking about the troops, and this gentleman said something which you'll hear here in just a second, prompting me to reply "yeah, the phony soldiers."

That comment, "phony soldiers" was posted yesterday afternoon on the famous Media Matters website, which is where all leftists go to find out what I say. I have a website, and I have a radio program that reaches far more people than Media Matters could ever hope to, but the critics of this program never listen to this program. They never go to my website. All they do is read Media Matters and they get the lies and the out-of-context reports. They assume it's all true because they want it to be true, and then they start their campaigns. This has led to me being denounced on the floor of the House. Howard Dean has released a statement demanding I apologize; Jim Webb; John Kerry issued a statement, three Congress people went out on the floor of the House last night and said some things, and it's starting to blossom now in the Drive-By Media. So this is the anatomy of a smear, and this is how it starts. The same group is trying to get Bill O'Reilly into problems because of some innocent comments that he made about going to dinner at a restaurant in Harlem. So the illustration begins with just a sample report from MSNBC whose content is produced almost exclusively by Media Matters for America and MoveOn.org. This is this morning with the anchorette Contessa Brewer reporting on the phony soldier controversy, spawned by me.


The Anatomy of a Smear: "Phony Soldiers" Is a Phony Story

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Now you have both links. Both sides of the story. You can do whatever research you want. Now tell me who has the truth and who is spreading biased political propaganda to a select audiance? Might take some honesty here people?

[Grouch]

I listened to this when it happened.

The caller that was called a phony soldier wasn't the brightest bulb in the lamp shop and very well could have been a "seminar caller". When he made the phony solider comment he immediately when on to comment about this Jesse Macbeth guy.

However I would personal go so far as to say that any soldier (especially since anyone who has enlisted in the last 3 years) who now wants out of Iraq are in fact phony soldiers not up the task in which they agreed to be a part of.

Most people automatically dismiss anything pundits like Rush, Sean, or Bill say, and yeah they all have major fault and are hypocrites and douches in their own right. But one thing that they consistently get right is pointing out the hypocrisy in the mainstream liberal media.

[JaJae]

He mentioned the Bill O'Rielly garbage too. The pathetic reputation of MediaMatters (if it ever had a decent one) is really going down the gutter here. They're stretching so far to attack people and the media and our politicians are going out of their way to believe it. It's as if people want to believe these far left sites when they post these grandiose reinterpretations of events and don't want to think for themselves.

I've never listened to Rush Limbaugh and don't know much about him. From the very little I do know I would be highly skeptical of anyone saying he was bashing our troops. The fact that the left just runs with this all the way to the halls of our government is ridiculous. I mean he's pretty extreme and messed up, but it's not like he's moveon.org or anything...

[JaJae]

BTW, Dean, Webb and Kerry are all idiots. And anyone who stood up in front of the House to talk about this nonsense deserves to be voted right the hell out of office. These people should be focusing on bettering America, not reading MediaMatters which is like quoting those sleezy grocery store magazines claiming Britney Spears had sex with an alien. Both write stories with about as much basis. Any politician wasting their time reading and believing that trash has no business in a political position within America. At the very least they should do their own follow-up research before they embarass themselves and our government.

I get really annoyed when politicians quote sources like Newsmax, MediaMatters, Afterdowningstreet, etc. It's like painting a huge sign on their head saying "I'm a complete idiot, please vote me out office." There's plenty of mainstream media out there to pull stories from. When an elected official representing our nation addresses issues of our nation from something you read off a private blog with no accountability as something factual, there's a serious problem.

[RMNIXON]

Originally Posted by JaJae

He mentioned the Bill O'Rielly garbage too. The pathetic reputation of MediaMatters (if it ever had a decent one) is really going down the gutter here. They're stretching so far to attack people and the media and our politicians are going out of their way to believe it. It's as if people want to believe these far left sites when they post these grandiose reinterpretations of events and don't want to think for themselves.

If you look at the contrast of the two posts you can see Media Matters is working with very selective quotations. That is a major red flag that the full story is not being represented. I don't listen to Rush either, but I have seen the same kind of edit/clip dishonesty used against O'Reilly, ect.... "Crooks and Liars" does it all the time and people should have better judgement than to fall for this.

[Dylith]

Originally Posted by RMNIXON

Now you have both links. Both sides of the story. You can do whatever research you want. Now tell me who has the truth and who is spreading biased political propaganda to a select audiance? Might take some honesty here people?

I don't even know why they feel the need to identify people as soldiers or as ex-soldiers. Why should having served in the military make one's opinion about the war in Iraq carry more weight?

[JaJae]

Here's the video from Rush:

YouTube Video

At about 5 minutes left he plays the rest of the clip that MediaMatters and the rest of the media conveniently decided to cut off.

[hsmith]

Originally Posted by Grouch

I listened to this when it happened.

The caller that was called a phony soldier wasn't the brightest bulb in the lamp shop and very well could have been a "seminar caller". When he made the phony solider comment he immediately when on to comment about this Jesse Macbeth guy.

However I would personal go so far as to say that any soldier (especially since anyone who has enlisted in the last 3 years) who now wants out of Iraq are in fact phony soldiers not up the task in which they agreed to be a part of.

Most people automatically dismiss anything pundits like Rush, Sean, or Bill say, and yeah they all have major fault and are hypocrites and douches in their own right. But one thing that they consistently get right is pointing out the hypocrisy in the mainstream liberal media.

Pretty easy to sit behind your computer screen and call people fighting over there "phony soldiers" when you disagree with them. I guess dodging bulletes, IED's, and people try to kill you every day is just a sign of a "phony"

Fact is, a lot of troops want us out of Iraq

A lot want us to stay

The ones that want us to go aren't anymore "phony" than the ones that want us to stay.

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by hsmith

The ones that want us to go aren't anymore "phony" than the ones that want us to stay.

I agree, the ones who get kicked out for delinquency before they finish their initial training though and claim to have been to Iraq and witnessed killing innocents are phony though. And they should be called phony. And MediaMatters is full of shit for attempting to painting it any other way and to smear.

Rush should legally attack MediaMatters in retaliation. He has the money. MediaMatters is a tax exempt organization and considering they insane and blatant political bias, they are in clear violation of federal laws. I'd thoroughly enjoy that case.

[motivez]

I can't believe people actually bother to listen to Limbaugh.

[Joe_Cool]

Originally Posted by hsmith

Pretty easy to sit behind your computer screen and call people fighting over there "phony soldiers" when you disagree with them. I guess dodging bulletes, IED's, and people try to kill you every day is just a sign of a "phony"

Fact is, a lot of troops want us out of Iraq

A lot want us to stay

The ones that want us to go aren't anymore "phony" than the ones that want us to stay.

What they want isn't really relevant, is it? They signed up to follow orders and do a job, not to whine to the media about how unhappy they are. Anybody who has joined the Army in the last 4 years and is whining about how he doesn't want to be there is an idiot. How the hell do you join the Army during a war and think you're not going to fight in it?

And I have no doubt that there are actual phony soldiers calling radio shows. People who aren't, but think saying "I'm a soldier and I think..." will lend credence to their opinions. Note that, as Grouch said, when this guy was called a phony, he just changed the subject.

[Grouch]

Originally Posted by hsmith

Pretty easy to sit behind your computer screen and call people fighting over there "phony soldiers" when you disagree with them. I guess dodging bulletes, IED's, and people try to kill you every day is just a sign of a "phony"

Fact is, a lot of troops want us out of Iraq

A lot want us to stay

The ones that want us to go aren't anymore "phony" than the ones that want us to stay.

Or it's pretty easy to know that if you've signed up for military service in the last 3 years that you knew you where most likely going to Iraq at some point. It's not like the location of your deployment of the condition of the situation is a big fucking secret.

If you don't have the stomach to do the job you agreed to do, then you should have never walked through that recruiters door.

I'd like to see some actual numbers on those active duty soldiers that want us out of Iraq. Got anything more than a few anecdotal incidences?

[P/N]

Originally Posted by motivez

I can't believe people actually bother to listen to Limbaugh.

What exactly does that have to do with the topic at hand (Media Matters being a smear machine of the far left)? You guessed it - nothing. Your post is completely irrelevant and off-topic. You should be given an infraction, just like you have done to me.

[hsmith]

Originally Posted by Grouch

Or it's pretty easy to know that if you've signed up for military service in the last 3 years that you knew you where most likely going to Iraq at some point. It's not like the location of your deployment of the condition of the situation is a big fucking secret.

If you don't have the stomach to do the job you agreed to do, then you should have never walked through that recruiters door.

I'd like to see some actual numbers on those active duty soldiers that want us out of Iraq. Got anything more than a few anecdotal incidences?

People aren't allowed to have their opinions change? People aren't allowed to go over there and realize we aren't doing what the preisdent is lying to us about? Yah, OK

Do a quick google search there buddy and you realize that they aren't "anecdotes"

Zogby International

72% of troops want us out of Iraq

I guess they are all "phony"

[hsmith]

Originally Posted by Joe_Cool

What they want isn't really relevant, is it? They signed up to follow orders and do a job, not to whine to the media about how unhappy they are. Anybody who has joined the Army in the last 4 years and is whining about how he doesn't want to be there is an idiot. How the hell do you join the Army during a war and think you're not going to fight in it?

And I have no doubt that there are actual phony soldiers calling radio shows. People who aren't, but think saying "I'm a soldier and I think..." will lend credence to their opinions. Note that, as Grouch said, when this guy was called a phony, he just changed the subject.

No, Grouch called all soliders who want us out of Iraq phony. ALL OF THEM.

My cousin was in the reserves and went over there again (he served in the 1st gulf war) in January. Thought he would LOVE it. 2 months later he hated being over there because what was going on. I guess his service is phony to some keyboard jockey.

So should people stop signing up to protect America while this war is going on?

[Grouch]

Originally Posted by hsmith

No, Grouch called all soliders who want us out of Iraq phony. ALL OF THEM.

My cousin was in the reserves and went over there again (he served in the 1st gulf war) in January. Thought he would LOVE it. 2 months later he hated being over there because what was going on. I guess his service is phony to some keyboard jockey.

So should people stop signing up to protect America while this war is going on?

blah blah blah, too much talking not enough smarts out of your posts here. Come one you’re smarter than this on OT.


What’s going on there now? Oh the minor chance of death during the job he swore he would do? It’s not the cake walk the first gulf war was, now man the fuck up cowboy.

He’s paid to risk his fucking life, if he doesn't like it he should have never put the uniform on. None of this people should have.

It has nothing to do with being a keyboard jockey, it has to do with not being a fucking retard and expecting your job as solider to be a fucking frat party.

[hsmith]

Originally Posted by Grouch

blah blah blah, too much talking not enough smarts out of your posts here. Come one you’re smarter than this on OT.


What’s going on there now? Oh the minor chance of death during the job he swore he would do? It’s not the cake walk the first gulf war was, now man the fuck up cowboy.

He’s paid to risk his fucking life, if he doesn't like it he should have never put the uniform on. None of this people should have.

It has nothing to do with being a keyboard jockey, it has to do with not being a fucking retard and expecting your job as solider to be a fucking frat party.

Do you have anything of substance to say?

Since when does signing up to defend your country disallow you to voice your opinion in being sent to a worthless war against a country that wasn't a danger to us?

No one signed up to be sent over there time after time and have their missions extended time after time. Our men our exhausted and overextended. Yeah that makes them "phony" alright.

[Grouch]

Originally Posted by hsmith

People aren't allowed to have their opinions change? People aren't allowed to go over there and realize we aren't doing what the preisdent is lying to us about? Yah, OK

Do a quick google search there buddy and you realize that they aren't "anecdotes"

Zogby International

72% of troops want us out of Iraq

I guess they are all "phony"

Nice, a poll from a year and half ago from a guy who blogs on the Huffington Post. Can we get anymore anti-war?

Good thing a more recent one shows the stats to be a little different.

More troops unhappy with Bush's course in Iraq, poll finds - USATODAY.com



2006 Military Times Poll

Almost half of those responding think the United States needs more troops in Iraq. A surprising 13% said the U.S. should have no troops there.

No one is saying approval isn’t going down. Hell I never approved of the war but only %13 say no soldiers should be there.

Interesting how you can find stats that support anything.

[Grouch]

Originally Posted by hsmith

Do you have anything of substance to say?

I'm still waiting for something from you.

Originally Posted by hsmith

Since when does signing up to defend your country disallow you to voice your opinion in being sent to a worthless war against a country that wasn't a danger to us?

You don't have an opinion when you're in the military you have orders. If they wanted to have an opinion they should have remained civilians.

Originally Posted by hsmith

No one signed up to be sent over there time after time and have their missions extended time after time. Our men our exhausted and overextended. Yeah that makes them "phony" alright.

What a load of shit. Ignorance is no excuse here. If anyone signed up for the military and didn't expect the chance of spending a major portion of your service in a war zone they are fucking retarded.

It's sad that so many stupid kids have signed up thinking they'll never have to risk their lives because we'll just bomb the hell out of them from 500 mile away, or thinking they get to serve a year and go home.

You're job is to follow orders and defend the nation, if you can't do that then you should have never signed up. It's that fucking simple.

[JaJae]

Let's calm down guys. Take a breather and come back to the thread if you need to.