Originally Posted by 7960 I understand mass-production makes it cheaper to put braille on all of them but that wasn't the point. My point was the ATM people don't have a choice, even though blind people will never use them. Yeah I guess it's moot. Because it's required, even if ...
10-03-2007, 11:50 AM
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| Originally Posted by 7960 Yeah I guess it's moot. Because it's required, even if it was only for walk up ATM's, they would probably still put the same buttons on all atm machines just for cost reasons. 
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10-03-2007, 11:51 AM
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| Originally Posted by Scrum I dunno. The cost of those headphone units would have to be so much that they offset the savings of only having one production line. I don't know how much they cost so I can't answer that.
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10-03-2007, 12:06 PM
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10-04-2007, 02:57 PM
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| fuck blind people and illiterate people the worst are people who are blind and illiterate. if you're reading this, and are blind and/or illiterate, i want you to know, that i hate you. | ||||
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10-05-2007, 05:57 AM
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| minor irritant &/or non-entity News Moderator Contrarian Birmingham, UK
| Jimeigh: I'm almost blind & at best only semi-literate, ..., do you only half hate me? As for ATMs i can imagine a blind car passenger using a machine. But then I've never seen a drive thru ATM so perhaps it would still be impractical for them to use it with or without braille keys. I think that a society should do all it can to accomodate the disabled, although perhaps not to the point of remoddeling historic buildings. I think that UK veterans associactrions have historically done very little to get building regs changed to favour disabled access which I think is appalling given the access to politicos that they've had. Publically complaining about this to people collecting for 'Poppy Day' has led to threats & pub bannings for me UK law now requires that all public buildings have wheelchair access. GOOD! ABOUT BLOODY TIME Most firms are required to meet a 'disabled' quota on their employment rolls. I'm more ambivilant on this one. Right now, in the library, I can here a female robotic voice reading a website to a blindman. Suing Target seems a bit OTT, but typically sep-ish MES sez: who wants to buy a mitsubushi? Last edited by avsp; 10-05-2007 at 06:04 AM. | ||||
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10-05-2007, 09:59 AM
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| Originally Posted by avsp that would depend on whether you see the glass as half empty, or totally useless.
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10-05-2007, 11:55 AM
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| the answer is, ... "oo's bin drinking my pint?", ..., whilst the worry is "has my beverage been tampered with?" either way no glass, full or empty, is ever really useless, ..., is it? | ||||
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10-05-2007, 02:29 PM
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10-05-2007, 03:49 PM
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| ..... your a worthless poster  Realist
| Originally Posted by jimeigh an optimist says the glass is half full
a pessimist says it's half empty a quality engineer says you have too much glass. | ||||
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10-05-2007, 04:06 PM
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| Political Genius  Republican Yorba Linda Ca.
| Originally Posted by WickedLou9
ADA  Shut down the whole Internet, theater, cable TV, and HDTV, take down the signs! Stop Radio and all public address systems. Not fair to deaf people! Why not? Who started this anyway? What are you libs complaining about? Now you want to be rational? Harrison Bergeron!  Harrison Bergeron: Information and Much More from Answers.com
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10-05-2007, 04:16 PM
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| Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95
No, No, No! Lets bring it on! If a small club must have a wheelchair ramp to a stage why stop now? Personally I would be proud help lift someone in a wheelchair to a stage if they were in fact a performer! But if we are going to play universal accomondation to "feel good" about ourselves why spare the internet? What is Liberty Lounge doing to accomodate people with disabilities?  Spell check would help me!  I be a victom of a pubic sholl systum!  | ||||
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10-05-2007, 05:07 PM
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| Originally Posted by RMNIXON It might make you "feel good" but it'd probably be degrading to the person in the chair.
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10-06-2007, 04:51 AM
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| Perhaps the suit is to purely draw attention to the issue? If I were are Target shareholder I'd want the site to be blind accessible just to get the extra sales. Originally Posted by 7960 Why cant they organise & campaign for it to be law that establishments be wheelchair accessible. If not on the federal level then on a more 'local' one?
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10-06-2007, 08:12 AM
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| Originally Posted by avsp I totally support this.
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10-09-2007, 11:11 PM
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| Originally Posted by 7960 to be an optimist wouldnt it depend what the glass is full of? what if it's "half full" of poison and you just drank it?
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10-10-2007, 08:15 AM
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| ..... your a worthless poster Realist
| Originally Posted by jimeigh a jackass?
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10-11-2007, 01:41 PM
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| Deuteronomy 32:41  Paleolibertarian USA
| Originally Posted by 7960
 Aren't the Blind already in mortal danger because of bicyclists? They gonna sue Schwinn next?? Owning an electric car myself, I can tell you they DO make some noise, just not as much. The blind don't belong on the roads where cars are, and shouldn't be other places cars are without assistance. Do we let people wander around golf courses? They could more easily get run over there, where golf carts are further quieted by grass. They could also fall into a sandtrap and die.
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10-12-2007, 07:09 AM
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| Originally Posted by AVengeance Boll*cks
Originally Posted by 7960 IF the law said you had to do it then wouldnt it really be 'the people' & not the govt that was forcing you to spend money to make life easier for the disabled?
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10-12-2007, 01:26 PM
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| Originally Posted by avsp Not when it's the fed pushing the law on the states, no.
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10-12-2007, 04:15 PM
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| Political Genius Republican Yorba Linda Ca.
| Lets be honest. The ADA has good intentions. Has had many good and just results in public accommodations we taxpayers vote and pay for. But in the private sector it has become another trial lawyers lottery at the expense of everyone else. Common sense reform can not be that hard can it?  | ||||
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