BLIND people are suing Target....

WickedLou9 · 10-03-2007, 09:03 AM

Judge allows class action against Target Web site - Yahoo! News

get this.. they are suing target because...

thier WEBSITE is inaccassable to blind people.

Um. what? what do you want them to do? Make computer monitors suddenly turn into brail devices? The ENTIRE INTERNET is inaccessable to blind people. I mean maybe there are some websites that are just audio recordings, but the entire premise of a website is visual. How do you make something that is based on a visual concept accessable to someone who can't see? Should there be an audio feed that describes the site?

"Hey this is the Target website. If you could see, you might notice the red Target logo. As if "red" means anything to you. Well unless you used to be able to see. That sucks. Then there are some links below that you can't use because you can't see them. If you could you would see links for home goods, lawn and garden, appliances, bedding, and stuff for people who can see. Just kidding about that last part. but maybe we are not. You can't see it anyway.
Moving on....

I seriously don't understand this. Why don't they sue Ford for making cars innaccessable to blind people? I don't see how this lawsuit can possibly win... although it's California so who knows. the 9th Circuit court is a bunch of pot smoking anti-capitalist liberals.

7960 · 10-03-2007, 09:18 AM

They want electric cars to have MINIMUM noise level.

ABC News: Blind People: Hybrid Cars Pose Hazard

Apparently there's a link between sight and common sense...when you lose one the other soon follows.

Scrum · 10-03-2007, 09:32 AM

Have you ever seen the Bullshit! episode about disabilities?
This reminds me of the brail instructions and buttons on a drive up ATM. It makes no sense.

I'm going to go sue an OBGYN because I can't have a baby.

Scrum · 10-03-2007, 09:35 AM

"This is a tremendous step forward for blind people throughout the country who for too long have been denied equal access to the Internet economy," Marc Maurer, president of the National Federation for the Blind, said in a statement.

Damn us for holding these people back. Perhaps we should all blind ourselves in the interest of fair play?

7960 · 10-03-2007, 09:41 AM

Originally Posted by Scrum

Have you ever seen the Bullshit! episode about disabilities?
This reminds me of the brail instructions and buttons on a drive up ATM. It makes no sense.

I'm going to go sue an OBGYN because I can't have a baby.

I remember a corrections officer telling a story about a lawsuit against the prison. The disability people filed a suit because there was no braille in the prison. The prison responded "this prison does not and will not ever house blind or visually impaired people."

The prison actually lost.

Linzyhop · 10-03-2007, 09:45 AM

this whole damned country has gone sue crazy. back to the future II was actually more on target (with getting rid of lawyers) then we ever dared to dream!!!!

speaking of which i need to find a lawyer for my friend who got into a car accident and was the other guys fault, totaled her car, and she's in a neckbrace but his insurance company is trying to say it wasn't his fault......

Scrum · 10-03-2007, 09:50 AM

Originally Posted by 7960

I remember a corrections officer telling a story about a lawsuit against the prison. The disability people filed a suit because there was no braille in the prison. The prison responded "this prison does not and will not ever house blind or visually impaired people."

The prison actually lost.

They must have forgotten about the blind prison guards that could work there.

7960 · 10-03-2007, 09:52 AM

Originally Posted by Scrum

They must have forgotten about the blind prison guards that could work there.

There's braille on drive-through ATMs...........'nuff said.

WickedLou9 · 10-03-2007, 09:53 AM

Originally Posted by Scrum

Have you ever seen the Bullshit! episode about disabilities?
This reminds me of the brail instructions and buttons on a drive up ATM. It makes no sense.

I'm going to go sue an OBGYN because I can't have a baby.

The braile on the drive up ATM is actually economic. They just make all ATM's the same. They don't make special ones for the drive up. They save money that way. You can thank Henry Ford for that one

7960 · 10-03-2007, 09:57 AM

Originally Posted by WickedLou9

The braile on the drive up ATM is actually economic. They just make all ATM's the same. They don't make special ones for the drive up. They save money that way. You can thank Henry Ford for that one

I don't think so.

I'm fairly sure if you installed an ATM without braille, even if it was dedicated to drive-up traffic only, the disability people would be all over it.

Stylerod · 10-03-2007, 10:08 AM

Ah the victim class. What would we do without them....

Phantom · 10-03-2007, 10:15 AM

Originally Posted by 7960

They want electric cars to have MINIMUM noise level.

ABC News: Blind People: Hybrid Cars Pose Hazard

Apparently there's a link between sight and common sense...when you lose one the other soon follows.

I can understand the minimum noise requirement. I've been sneaked up upon by silent hybrids in parking lots before.

7960 · 10-03-2007, 10:16 AM

Originally Posted by Stylerod

Ah the victim class. What would we do without them....

I'm not sure, but you can be guaranteed there'd be more steps and fewer ramps.

7960 · 10-03-2007, 10:17 AM

Originally Posted by Phantom

I can understand the minimum noise requirement. I've been sneaked up upon by silent hybrids in parking lots before.

Should people also be required to make a minimum amount of noise? I've had someone sneak up on me in a parking lot. I think everyone should be required to wear bells so that won't happen any more.

Stylerod · 10-03-2007, 10:19 AM

Originally Posted by 7960

I'm not sure, but you can be guaranteed there'd be more steps and fewer ramps.

Speaking of.... There was a law firm near here that was going to every place they could find and if it didn't have a ramp they sued immediately. Even Historic buildings that they try to keep as authentic as possible! I don't remember what ever came of those though. Last I heard they were going to keep some of the historic buildings closed to the public all together so they wouldn't have to change the outside of them.

Phantom · 10-03-2007, 10:29 AM

Originally Posted by 7960

Should people also be required to make a minimum amount of noise? I've had someone sneak up on me in a parking lot. I think everyone should be required to wear bells so that won't happen any more.

no, I don't think people should be required to wear bells. The consequences of being run into by another person IMO are not as severe as those of being hit by a car. What do you think?

7960 · 10-03-2007, 10:31 AM

Originally Posted by Phantom

no, I don't think people should be required to wear bells. The consequences of being run into by another person IMO are not as severe as those of being hit by a car. What do you think?

i think we should equally punish drivers who hit people with loud and quiet cars.

WickedLou9 · 10-03-2007, 11:36 AM

Originally Posted by 7960

I don't think so.

I'm fairly sure if you installed an ATM without braille, even if it was dedicated to drive-up traffic only, the disability people would be all over it.

Well I looked it up and aparently it's a federal regulation that all ATMs be accessable to people with disabilities. However, given this regulation, it IS cheaper to produce all of the ATMs the same than it would be to produce a different ATM machine for every type of location.
If they didn't, they would actualy be in violation of the federal laws and could be fined by the federal government.

However the Author of "The Economic Naturalist" gives this explanation
Robert Frank discusses his new book

ATM producers have to make keypads with Braille dots for their walk-up machines anyway, so it is cheaper to make all machines the same way. The alternative would be to hold two separate inventories and make sure each machine went to the right destination. If the Braille dots caused trouble for sighted users, the extra expense might be justified. But they do not.

Scrum · 10-03-2007, 11:39 AM

Originally Posted by WickedLou9

Well I looked it up and aparently it's a federal regulation that all ATMs be accessable to people with disabilities. However, given this regulation, it IS cheaper to produce all of the ATMs the same than it would be to produce a different ATM machine for every type of location.
If they didn't, they would actualy be in violation of the federal laws and could be fined by the federal government.

However the Author of "The Economic Naturalist" gives this explanation
Robert Frank discusses his new book

What about the plugs for headphones? They could not include that on a drive-up ATM but they are still there.

7960 · 10-03-2007, 11:42 AM

Originally Posted by WickedLou9

Well I looked it up and aparently it's a federal regulation that all ATMs be accessable to people with disabilities. However, given this regulation, it IS cheaper to produce all of the ATMs the same than it would be to produce a different ATM machine for every type of location.
If they didn't, they would actualy be in violation of the federal laws and could be fined by the federal government.

However the Author of "The Economic Naturalist" gives this explanation
Robert Frank discusses his new book

I understand mass-production makes it cheaper to put braille on all of them but that wasn't the point. My point was the ATM people don't have a choice, even though blind people will never use them.