Junkscience debates Al Gore on global warming?

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95

Hot Air » Blog Archive » Video: The obligatory “Stossel on global warming” clip


Pretty good video from John Stossel getting some of the information out that many many scientist have been saying for years.

Thank you, I heard about this, but missed it. I'm grateful Al Gore got his award. Maybe it will put an end to the alarmism.

YouTube Video

Even more articles:
washingtonpost.com

[JaJae]

To be fair, Al Gore's team has defended the falsehoods in his movie. I guess it was getting too much attention for him to ignore.
An Inconvenient Truth: Team Gore Responds - Fact Checker
He writes a couple sentences defending each falsehood.

In response the Science and Public Policy Institute decided to fact-check Gore's factcheck and wrote up detailed scientific rebuttals to Gore and listed a total of 35 errors in his film.
Science and Public Policy Institute - 35 Inconvenient Truths: The errors in Al Gore’s movie

The best line is when Gore's spokesman says the UK Judge didn't use the word "error" in response to Gore's points. I pasted the ruling into Word and counted something like 25 times the judge said Gore made errors.

Most notably:

There are errors and omissions in the film, to which I shall refer, and respects in which the film, while purporting to set out the mainstream view (and to belittle opposing views), does in fact itself depart from that mainstream, in the sense of the "consensus" expressed in the IPCC reports.

More and more lies coming from the Gore camp on global warming. These are just outright blatant lies which I find to be completely hilarious. How desperate he must be.

It was a good move for Gore to have his spokesman write this "Fact Check." It's no wonder he won't debate people. This is absurd. Any mainstream climatologist would tear him a new one if he attempted to use this in a debate. If someone is even remotely educated on global warming reads this they'll agree... Al Gore just sunk his own ship. The response to the ocean levels rising 20 feet by yesterday made me laugh... "There's uncertainty, but this one person from Nasa said it might rise a few meters (not six meters as he claimed) and they trust him, so it's not wrong to make the absurd alarmist statement..." yea ok. Keep drinking your Koolaid.

[JaJae]

Slate directly attacks Al Gore.

What Al Gore doesn't understand about climate change. - By Steven E. Landsburg - Slate Magazine

[JaJae]

There have been more articles like the above I've been posting, there's actually been quite a few, even from the NY Times! But, I found this one interesting. It was published by the Wall Street Journal and written by an IPCC scientist.

My Nobel Moment - WSJ.com

To give a tone of the article:

As we build climate data sets from scratch and look into the guts of the climate system, however, we don't find the alarmist theory matching observations.

Rather I see jump-to-conclusions advocates and, unfortunately, some scientists who see in every weather anomaly the specter of a global-warming apocalypse. Explaining each successive phenomenon as a result of human action gives them comfort and an easy answer.

Others of us scratch our heads and try to understand the real causes behind what we see. We discount the possibility that everything is caused by human actions, because everything we've seen the climate do has happened before. Sea levels rise and fall continually. The Arctic ice cap has shrunk before. One millennium there are hippos swimming in the Thames, and a geological blink later there is an ice bridge linking Asia and North America.

One of the challenges in studying global climate is keeping a global perspective, especially when much of the research focuses on data gathered from spots around the globe. Often observations from one region get more attention than equally valid data from another.

[AVengeance]

strange to see so many scientists looking towards what looks like something out of the Bible's book of Apocolypse (Revelation). Science should stick to testing and observing, and anyone that thinks the world is a billion or more years old cannot possibly look at 25 years worth of data and make any real conclusions.

[JaJae]

The Founder of the Weather Channel says:

Global Warming is the "Greatest Scam in History"

It is the greatest scam in history. I am amazed, appalled and highly offended by it. Global Warming; It is a SCAM. Some dastardly scientists with environmental and political motives manipulated long term scientific data to create in allusion of rapid global warming. Other scientists of the same environmental whacko type jumped into the circle to support and broaden the “research” to further enhance the totally slanted, bogus global warming claims. Their friends in government steered huge research grants their way to keep the movement going. Soon they claimed to be a consensus.

Environmental extremists, notable politicians among them, then teamed up with movie, media and other liberal, environmentalist journalists to create this wild “scientific” scenario of the civilization threatening environmental consequences from Global Warming unless we adhere to their radical agenda. Now their ridiculous manipulated science has been accepted as fact and become a cornerstone issue for CNN, CBS, NBC, the Democratic Political Party, the Governor of California, school teachers and, in many cases, well informed but very gullible environmental conscientious citizens. Only one reporter at ABC has been allowed to counter the Global Warming frenzy with one 15 minutes documentary segment.

I do not oppose environmentalism. I do not oppose the political positions of either party. However, Global Warming, ie Climate Change, is not about environmentalism or politics. It is not a religion. It is not something you “believe in.” It is science; the science of meteorology. This is my field of life-long expertise. And I am telling you Global Warming is a non-event, a manufactured crisis and a total scam. I say this knowing you probably won’t believe a me, a mere TV weatherman, challenging a Nobel Prize, Academy Award and Emmy Award winning former Vice President of United States. So be it.

I have read dozens of scientific papers. I have talked with numerous scientists. I have studied. I have thought about it. I know I am correct. There is no run away climate change. The impact of humans on climate is not catastrophic. Our planet is not in peril. I am incensed by the incredible media glamour, the politically correct silliness and rude dismissal of counter arguments by the high priest of Global Warming.

In time, a decade or two, the outrageous scam will be obvious. As the temperature rises, polar ice cap melting, coastal flooding and super storm pattern all fail to occur as predicted everyone will come to realize we have been duped. The sky is not falling. And, natural cycles and drifts in climate are as much if not more responsible for any climate changes underway. I strongly believe that the next twenty years are equally as likely to see a cooling trend as they are to see a warming trend.

ICECAP

John Coleman is an American meteorologist and the founder of The Weather Channel.

[Donkey®]

It doesn't take a scientist to SEE with your own eyes that the earth is getting warmer.

[Linzyhop]

Originally Posted by Donkey®

It doesn't take a scientist to SEE with your own eyes that the earth is getting warmer.

of course it is. it is the natural progression of the earth to go through periods of cooling and warming. "global warming" is a belief that humans are the sole contributor to the earth getting warmer in this period, which is simply not the case.

are we contributing to the rate? quite possibly. are we the only reason? of course not.

[AVengeance]

Originally Posted by Donkey®

It doesn't take a scientist to SEE with your own eyes that the earth is getting warmer.

You can also see with your own eyes that the sky is getting brighter, or that the moon is getting bigger. Some people just don't understand that things happen in cycles. They only see a microcosmic view of what "is" right now.

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by Donkey®

It doesn't take a scientist to SEE with your own eyes that the earth is getting warmer.

You're seeing it with your own eyes? That's interesting considering for the past 10 years or so there's been a temperature stasis.
There IS a problem with global warming... it stopped in 1998 - Telegraph

[Scrum]

Originally Posted by Linzyhop

"global warming" is a belief that humans are the sole contributor to the earth getting warmer in this period...

No it isn't.

[Publius]

Originally Posted by Scrum

No it isn't.

At the core of the way Gore frames the argument, yes, it is.

[Linzyhop]

so when I'm walking down the street in Boston and these environmental groups hiring kids to stop people on the street and ask them if they care about putting an end to global warming... you're saying they want us to stop a natural progression of cycles of the earth? or perhaps are they saying the human race needs to stop their excess and waste since we're causing it completely?


my guess would be B.

[Scrum]

Originally Posted by Publius

At the core of the way Gore frames the argument, yes, it is.

I have never heard him say that and it wouldn't matter if he did.


edit - and he even shows the "debunked" chart that shows the temp rising and falling. Do you think he's trying to blame warming cycles from thousands of years ago on humans?

[Scrum]

Originally Posted by Linzyhop

so when I'm walking down the street in Boston and these environmental groups hiring kids to stop people on the street and ask them if they care about putting an end to global warming... you're saying they want us to stop a natural progression of cycles of the earth? or perhaps are they saying the human race needs to stop their excess and waste since we're causing it completely?


my guess would be B.

Yes, everything in this world is black and white.


I suppose people who want to stop forest fires are in the same boat? They either want to stop natural fires from happening or they want people to never enter the forest or light a match.

Nobody believes that humans are the only reason the earth is warming. Nobody that matters anyway.

[Publius]

Originally Posted by Scrum

I have never heard him say that and it wouldn't matter if he did.


edit - and he even shows the "debunked" chart that shows the temp rising and falling. Do you think he's trying to blame warming cycles from thousands of years ago on humans?

An excerpt from "An Inconvenient Truth":

We are melting the North Polar ice cap and virtually all of the mountain glaciers in the world. We are destabilizing the massive mound of ice on Greenland and the equally enormous mass of ice propped up on top of islands in West Antarctica, threatening a worldwide increase in sea levels of as much as twenty feet.

The list of what is now endangered due to global warming also includes the continued stable configuration of ocean and wind currents that has been in place since before the first cities were built almost 10,000 years ago.

We are dumping so much carbon dioxide into the Earth's environment that we have literally changed the relationship between the Earth and the Sun. So much of that CO2 is being absorbed into the oceans that if we continue at the current rate we will increase the saturation of calcium carbonate to levels that will prevent formation of corals and interfere with the making of shells by any sea creature.

Global warming, along with the cutting and burning of forests and other critical habitats, is causing the loss of living species at a level comparable to the extinction event that wiped out the dinosaurs 65 million years ago. That event was believed to have been caused by a giant asteroid. This time it is not an asteroid colliding with the Earth and wreaking havoc; it is us.

As I said: whether or not global warming is caused entirely by humanity is of no consequence. Gore is framing global warming as a problem we have caused, not a problem that we're just a part of.

[Scrum]

Originally Posted by Publius

An excerpt from "An Inconvenient Truth":

We are melting the North Polar ice cap and virtually all of the mountain glaciers in the world. We are destabilizing the massive mound of ice on Greenland and the equally enormous mass of ice propped up on top of islands in West Antarctica, threatening a worldwide increase in sea levels of as much as twenty feet.

The list of what is now endangered due to global warming also includes the continued stable configuration of ocean and wind currents that has been in place since before the first cities were built almost 10,000 years ago.

We are dumping so much carbon dioxide into the Earth's environment that we have literally changed the relationship between the Earth and the Sun. So much of that CO2 is being absorbed into the oceans that if we continue at the current rate we will increase the saturation of calcium carbonate to levels that will prevent formation of corals and interfere with the making of shells by any sea creature.

Global warming, along with the cutting and burning of forests and other critical habitats, is causing the loss of living species at a level comparable to the extinction event that wiped out the dinosaurs 65 million years ago. That event was believed to have been caused by a giant asteroid. This time it is not an asteroid colliding with the Earth and wreaking havoc; it is us.

As I said: whether or not global warming is caused entirely by humanity is of no consequence. Gore is framing global warming as a problem we have caused, not a problem that we're just a part of.

But now we are back in the Al Gore bottleneck.

People somehow think that they have disproved GW's existence if they disprove something Gore said.

He's a strawman.

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by Scrum

But now we are back in the Al Gore bottleneck.

People somehow think that they have disproved GW's existence if they disprove something Gore said.

He's a strawman.

His opinions and views are typical of what the mainstream media is telling us and what the average American believes about global warming.

[Scrum]

Originally Posted by JaJae

His opinions and views are typical of what the mainstream media is telling us and what the average American believes about global warming.

So you think the mainstream view of global warming is that humans are the only reason that it's happening?


That's total bullshit.

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by Scrum

So you think the mainstream view of global warming is that humans are the only reason that it's happening?


That's total bullshit.

I think it is the mainstream view that humans are the leading cause of catastrophic climate change. In fact, when I turn on the news I'm told this all the time.